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Old 04-06-2013, 08:29 PM   #1
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"* Ward said USC is experimenting with the 50 defense, a once widely popular scheme also known as the 'Oklahoma Defense." The alignment features five defensive linemen and two linebackers, and is structurally similar to the 3-4."

Anyone have any insight into this defensive scheme?
With an athletic D-line being a strength, and a thin LB 2 deep, can this be a viable option this year?
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Old 04-06-2013, 08:38 PM   #2
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Just sounds like a 5-2. I'm no expert on it, but basically it gets more size on the field to stop the run.
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Default Re: New defensive formation - 50 Defense

insight no, but i wonder if they would go with 3 de's or 3 dt's. one reason to do this could be to limit double teams on clowney and keep blockers off the young lb's.
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insight no, but i wonder if they would go with 3 de's or 3 dt's. one reason to do this could be to limit double teams on clowney and keep blockers off the young lb's.
I'm pretty sure they would go with 3 DT's. I believe it's a run stopping package, so putting in pass rushers wouldn't really make sense.
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Old 04-06-2013, 08:57 PM   #5
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Run stopping package from option days any decent passing team kills it because not enough guys in coverage
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Old 04-06-2013, 09:00 PM   #6
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Default Re: New defensive formation - 50 Defense

Probably what they were running when I posted yesterday's report
and said it looked like they were using Sutton as a DT in some situations.
Using Chaz and English on one side and Clowney on the other. That
would explain why all three where on the line at the same time !
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Default Re: New defensive formation - 50 Defense

I would think they'd drop a DL or two back in coverage out of a modern day 5-2 .. It could cut down on double teams .. interesting concept with the talent we got
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Old 04-06-2013, 10:12 PM   #8
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I would think they'd drop a DL or two back in coverage out of a modern day 5-2 .. It could cut down on double teams .. interesting concept with the talent we got
Still leaves you weak to a pass efficient offense. Especially with how versatile TEs are becoming.
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Still leaves you weak to a pass efficient offense. Especially with versatile TEs are becoming.
Yeah... the concept of depending on DL's out in pass coverage regularly does not excite me. That's definitely not something you want to make a living with.
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Still leaves you weak to a pass efficient offense. Especially with how versatile TEs are becoming.
Or turns the QB into a human pinata. It would be a formation that would be more along the lines of a line up and play with very little disguising going on pre play. If you can win the battle in the trenches though it is a very viable formation and with our trio of DEs (if English is as good in games as he is in practice) we would win the trenches more often than not.
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Old 04-06-2013, 10:36 PM   #11
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Or turns the QB into a human pinata. It would be a formation that would be more along the lines of a line up and play with very little disguising going on pre play. If you can win the battle in the trenches though it is a very viable formation and with our trio of DEs (if English is as good in games as he is in practice) we would win the trenches more often than not.
Isn't this what the Bears ran back in the day? I believe the Buddy Ryan quote, when faced with this same issue was something along the lines of "It's tough for the QB to see the receivers with tears in his eyes"
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Yeah... the concept of depending on DL's out in pass coverage regularly does not excite me. That's definitely not something you want to make a living with.
It could either take some of the OL off our LB, and/or put extra pressure on QB with both Clowney and 2 other quick DE eliminating the need to create blitz packages to get to the QB. With 5 going after the QB, we would still have 6 in coverage. They would have to keep a TE in to help double Clowney therefore only sending 3 WR. Interesting.
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Or turns the QB into a human pinata. It would be a formation that would be more along the lines of a line up and play with very little disguising going on pre play. If you can win the battle in the trenches though it is a very viable formation and with our trio of DEs (if English is as good in games as he is in practice) we would win the trenches more often than not.
If we are using this formation primarily, I think we will get screen and slant passed to death. Too many big slow guys that won't be effective covering a wide out in space.

But, I am pretty sure Ellis Johnson switched between the 5-2 and 4-3 fairly regularly. Sure our setup will still be consistant with that of the last few years.
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Isn't this what the Bears ran back in the day? I believe the Buddy Ryan quote, when faced with this same issue was something along the lines of "It's tough for the QB to see the receivers with tears in his eyes"
Very versatile that can be used against a spread offense. I think Miami used it eons ago.
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Imagine dropping clowney into coverage for a couple interceptions/pick 6's. Lol
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Isn't this what the Bears ran back in the day? I believe the Buddy Ryan quote, when faced with this same issue was something along the lines of "It's tough for the QB to see the receivers with tears in his eyes"
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I'm pretty certain the Bears played the 46 defense. I believe that Rex Ryan still uses it at The Jets. I don't believe the 46 would be a good spread stopper at the college level. The 46 is either really good or really bad. I'm pretty sure that you have to have elite lockdown DB's to play a 46 because they are put on islands with little to no deep help.
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I like 46 DD
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