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Old 04-28-2013, 09:56 AM   #1
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just thought this would be an entertaining ongoing thread, for those of us who follow the promotion closely. post anything MMA related here.


the first topic I would like opinions on is George St Pierre, and his inability to finish fights over the last five years. before being knocked out by Matt Serra, he would finish fights the majority of the time. after the lose, I feel as though he now just "fights not to lose" instead of going for the stoppage. I despise having a champion who can not finish fights. I know its impossible to finish them all, but no finishes in over 5 years is pitiful.

there are some other champions in the same boat. Ben Henderson and Dominick Cruz also rarely finish anymore. Thoughts?
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I think that holding a belt does change how you look at each fight/opponent. It is safer to out-point the other guy and not risk a reckless move that could finish him but could also result in the champ being stopped. I agree that we would all like to see some finished fights by the GSP we once new.

The average fan doesn't usually have the knowledge or patience to tolerate these technical fights but as a former wrestler I love the ground game! The techniques used are often subtle and escapes the notice of most people watching.

I look at non finishes as more technique to appreciate and as more punishment heaped upon hated fighters!
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I think that holding a belt does change how you look at each fight/opponent. It is safer to out-point the other guy and not risk a reckless move that could finish him but could also result in the champ being stopped. I agree that we would all like to see some finished fights by the GSP we once new.

The average fan doesn't usually have the knowledge or patience to tolerate these technical fights but as a former wrestler I love the ground game! The techniques used are often subtle and escapes the notice of most people watching.

I look at non finishes as more technique to appreciate and as more punishment heaped upon hated fighters!
I agree that the wrestling is a great mix in the world of MMA, but the way some use it, will start to kill the sport for new fans. it shouldn't be used as a "safehaven" to keep from taking damage. it should be used as a way to set things up, or a way to keep opponents guessing, "takedown or just changing levels".

simply put, I love the wrestling as long as its used the way Chael Sonnen, Dan Henderson, or Randy Couture use it. get you down, and then proceed to beat your ass with relentless pressure, and break you. not take you down, and lay and pray, with just enough activity to keep the ref from standing the fight up.

I would love to see the UFC start using "the yellow cards" that Pride once used. if a fighter was stalling the action, flip the yellow card on him, and take away some of his prize money. would put a stop to some of this lame decision crap.

got no problem with a decision as long as the fight is good,(Dan Henderson vs Shogun"). however, this "hold you down til the last round is over" crap is getting old.
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who are your favorite, or is your favorite, fighters?

I had been a BJ Penn fan since he fought Jens Pulver the first time. however, since it appears he may be done fighting, I have had to pick up another fighter.

looks like it will be Machida and Gustaffson for me.
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I don't understand why GSP is being asked to change his winning ways in order to satisfy the common fan?? that would be like asking a football team to change their offense so that the other team has a better chance. I mean its boring, i get that.. but until somebody steps up and beats him, how can you complain?
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who are your favorite, or is your favorite, fighters?

I had been a BJ Penn fan since he fought Jens Pulver the first time. however, since it appears he may be done fighting, I have had to pick up another fighter.

looks like it will be Machida and Gustaffson for me.
My favorites are Silva, Jones, Youshin Okami, Ben Henderson is pretty cool.. guess I like most of the current champions.. but i also like Johnny Hendrix... pissed about his last fight, Forrest Griffin. Pretty much any fighter that works hard and doesn't talk too much junk earns my respect... for that reason I can't stand Chael Sonnen.
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I was a huge Penn fan as well as Tito when younger. Now it's Cain, Pettis, Aldo, McDonald and Urijah
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Old school UFC here... Tank Abbott, Randy Couture, Hendo...

New school UFC... Junior Dos Santos, Daniel Cormier, the Korean Zombie Dong Hyun Kim
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How Hendo does amazes me. How about that gnarly big toe last night?
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Interesting salary info for UFC 159...

Attendance: 15,227
Gate: $2,700,000
Michael Bisping: $425,000 ($275,000 to show, $150,000 win bonus)
Jon Jones: $400,000
Pat Healy: $152,500 ($17,500 to show, $5,000 win bonus, $65,000 Fight of the Night bonus, $65,000 Submission of the Night bonus)
Roy Nelson: $113,000 ($24,000 to show, $24,000 win bonus, $65,000 Knockout of the Night bonus)
Jim Miller: $106,000 ($41,000 to show, $65,000 Fight of the Night bonus)
Cheick Kongo: $70,000
Phil Davis: $60,000 ($30,000 to show, $30,000 win bonus)
Chael Sonnen: $50,000
Alan Belcher: $37,000
Ovince St. Preux: $34,000 ($17,000 to show, $17,000 win bonus)
Cody McKenzie: $20,000 ($10,000 to show, $10,000 win bonus)
Leonard Garcia: $20,000
Rustam Khabilov: $16,000 ($8,000 to show, $8,000 win bonus)
Bryan Caraway: $16,000($8,000 to show, $8,000 win bonus)
Steven Siler: $16,000 ($8,000 to show, $8,000 win bonus)
Sara McMann: $12,000 ($6,000 to show, $6,000 win bonus)
Gian Villante: $12,000
Vinny Magalhaes: $8,000
Johnny Bedford: $8,000
Yancy Medeiros: $6,000
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Didn't Jon Jones restrain some guy who robbed a lady before one of his fights?
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as good as Chael is at promoting he should of had a bigger pay day than that...even though he got his..
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I think that holding a belt does change how you look at each fight/opponent. It is safer to out-point the other guy and not risk a reckless move that could finish him but could also result in the champ being stopped. I agree that we would all like to see some finished fights by the GSP we once new.

The average fan doesn't usually have the knowledge or patience to tolerate these technical fights but as a former wrestler I love the ground game! The techniques used are often subtle and escapes the notice of most people watching.

I look at non finishes as more technique to appreciate and as more punishment heaped upon hated fighters!
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I don't understand why GSP is being asked to change his winning ways in order to satisfy the common fan?? that would be like asking a football team to change their offense so that the other team has a better chance. I mean its boring, i get that.. but until somebody steps up and beats him, how can you complain?
I already knew your thoughts on this subject catdaddy, but it's good to see that we are not the only ones who feel the same way!
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at this point in gsp career, he is not "beating" anyone, he's simply outscoring people to retain the belt. The best thing for his career would be to lose the belt, and have to work back to a title shot. The hunger that would create in him would bring back the finishds. I like him, but he has got to the point of not even being able to finish a ham sammich.
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Looking forward to Velasquez vs Dos Santos 2. Other than that, I'd like to see gsp fight Anderson Silva. I know they are different weight classes and it probably wont happen. But it needs to happen. To me, the UFC has gotten watered down and boring.
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I'm wondering if someone will go down in the JDSvHunt fight. It will be a slugfest.
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at this point in gsp career, he is not "beating" anyone, he's simply outscoring people to retain the belt. The best thing for his career would be to lose the belt, and have to work back to a title shot. The hunger that would create in him would bring back the finishds. I like him, but he has got to the point of not even being able to finish a ham sammich.
Don't underestimate GSP's appeal and image as one of the top pound for pound fighters in the world, and being unbeatable. If he loses, then he loses a lot of marketability and his value goes down.

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I already knew your thoughts on this subject catdaddy, but it's good to see that we are not the only ones who feel the same way!
Former wrestler here too, and I think there's a big difference between the appreciation level of people who have experience in different mixed martial arts and the casual fan. I understand if they want to make more money and the grow the sport, you have to appeal to the casual fans, and that means more knockouts, more submissions, and they do everything they can to promote and encourage the fighters to do this. I love seeing the knockouts and submissions as much as the next guy, but I can appreciate and love watching a technical fight where two guys are pretty even, and it goes the distance. But yes, nobody likes watching two heavyweights lay on top of each other and do nothing.
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I'm wondering if someone will go down in the JDSvHunt fight. It will be a slugfest.
Very likely! HWT's go the distance in only 30% of their bouts, so we have a 70% chance of someone getting KTFO'd!!!
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I'm wondering if someone will go down in the JDSvHunt fight. It will be a slugfest.

I'm hoping Hunt will wade in and hit that reset button for Jr, but I feel we may see a replay of JR vs Big Country. Jr will be the faster more crisp boxer, and will try to wear Hunt down early, and go for a finsih late in the fight. can't wait for that fight!
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