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Old 07-04-2013, 12:40 AM   #1
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Default Who is the greater DE Clowney or Abraham

Two things. I've had two gamecock questions and didn't want to waste two threads. So, i will combine them.
1. Obviously Clowney is the man, but John Abraham was a beast, and he played on some of the worst teams we've ever had. Also, Abraham's career in the League is phenomenal. To last in the league as long as he has and to be a pro bowler, that's outstanding. Most of you will probably say I'm dead wrong, but I think it's a toss up between the two. I wouldn't say Clowney is better than Abraham. Maybe I've missed it, but I've never heard Abraham mentioned along with Clowney as far as greatness (like when people compare Marcus and George), and Abraham is one if our greatest, IMO.
2. Second, my new all time favorite radio call is the Todd Ellis 'who cares, who cares' call for Swearinger v Ark. For me it has beaten Munson's Bennett TD call (unless I'm around a UGA fan). Any other awesome calls from Ellis or was that an outlier?
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Old 07-04-2013, 12:46 AM   #2
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Two things. I've had two gamecock questions and didn't want to waste two threads. So, i will combine them.
1. Obviously Clowney is the man, but John Abraham was a beast, and he played on some of the worst teams we've ever had. Also, Abraham's career in the League is phenomenal. To last in the league as long as he has and to be a pro bowler, that's outstanding. Most of you will probably say I'm dead wrong, but I think it's a toss up between the two. I wouldn't say Clowney is better than Abraham. Maybe I've missed it, but I've never heard Abraham mentioned along with Clowney as far as greatness (like when people compare Marcus and George), and Abraham is one if our greatest, IMO.
2. Second, my new all time favorite radio call is the Todd Ellis 'who cares, who cares' call for Swearinger v Ark. For me it has beaten Munson's Bennett TD call (unless I'm around a UGA fan). Any other awesome calls from Ellis or was that an outlier?
Abraham is no where near the physical specimen that Clowney is. Outside of Peppers, I can't think of anyone in CFB history that is.
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Old 07-04-2013, 02:03 AM   #3
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Default Re: Who is the greater DE Clowney or Abraham

Compare apples to apples....Jadeveon has had a significantly better first 2 years in college v. what John did.
The rest is yet to be played out.
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Old 07-04-2013, 07:33 AM   #4
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Yeah, he had a much better two years, but he is also on a much better team. JA was on a winless team. That matters.


I still think JC is better.
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Old 07-04-2013, 07:49 AM   #5
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JA was on a winless team. That matters.
His Sr. year....Jadeveon will never have a Sr. year.
John had 21 solo tackles and 10.5 sacks after 2 years.
Jadeveon has 57 solo tackles and 20 sacks after 2 years. That matters.
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Old 07-04-2013, 08:00 AM   #6
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Default Re: Who is the greater DE Clowney or Abraham

Say what you want about there college careers. I guarantee if you ask any college kid would they take John A. Career numbers in te NFL and everyone one would say hell yeah!
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Say what you want about there college careers. I guarantee if you ask any college kid would they take John A. Career numbers in te NFL and everyone one would say hell yeah!
of course they would...he has had a great NFL career...his college career was ok, but nothing amazing...right now the only valid comparison (and even that one is weak because of the vast difference in the quality of the remainder of the teams that they played on) is their College career, in 10-15 (maybe sooner depending on how big a splash Clowney makes next season) years you can compare NFL careers...

Guess what I am saying is that its awful hard to compare potential to actual results...and Clowney hasnt had a chance to give any (NFL) results yet
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Old 07-04-2013, 08:30 AM   #8
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Say what you want about there college careers. I guarantee if you ask any college kid would they take John A. Career numbers in te NFL and everyone one would say hell yeah!
Sure....you could say that about Jamarcus Russell v. Johnny Manziel. Jarmarcus has better NFL numbers than Johnny Football.
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Yeah, he had a much better two years, but he is also on a much better team. JA was on a winless team. That matters.
Right and wrong. Despite the losses, Carolina's defense was in the top 3 in the SEC both of the dud years. They set records on offense for negative yardage plays, but the defense was stout. Abraham had great speed like Clowney but wasn't as good or dominant overall.
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Default Re: Who is the greater DE Clowney or Abraham

As for the two, they're both Gamecocks so they're both great. Statistically JD blows JA out of the water.

As for Ellis' comments..No. One time Shaw ran a long TD against The Citadel (I think) and Ellis got so excited he was calling out the yard markers. "Shaw breaks loose, he's on the 40, the 45, the 50, the 55, ....yes, he said 55. It was funny to hear because he knew Shaw was taking it to the house for a TD.
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As for the two, they're both Gamecocks so they're both great. Statistically JD blows JA out of the water.

As for Ellis' comments..No. One time Shaw ran a long TD against The Citadel (I think) and Ellis got so excited he was calling out the yard markers. "Shaw breaks loose, he's on the 40, the 45, the 50, the 55, ....yes, he said 55. It was funny to hear because he knew Shaw was taking it to the house for a TD.
I dunno, I still think WHO CARES, WHO CARES takes the cake
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John played one year of HS football. He was learning the game in college. You can't compare the two. He was highly touted as a hoops player and only played football to help out the coach at Lamar.
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Doo doo Iz da man but old Abe was a awesome player
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John played one year of HS football. He was learning the game in college. You can't compare the two. He was highly touted as a hoops player and only played football to help out the coach at Lamar.
Plus John wasn't as physically developed as Jadeveon at the same age.
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His Sr. year....Jadeveon will never have a Sr. year.
John had 21 solo tackles and 10.5 sacks after 2 years.
Jadeveon has 57 solo tackles and 20 sacks after 2 years. That matters.

ohhhh. Victimized by the selective quote.


Like I said, I still think JC is better.
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Sure....you could say that about Jamarcus Russell v. Johnny Manziel. Jarmarcus has better NFL numbers than Johnny Football.

Not by much tho
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ohhhh. Victimized by the selective quote.


Like I said, I still think JC is better.
And he'll never play on a winless team his Sr season.
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Default Re: Who is the greater DE Clowney or Abraham

Clowney will probably go down as the greatest player we have ever or will ever produce barring us getting the next Tom Brady or Peyton Manning at QB so obviously Clowney. That is not a slight to any of our past or future players but Clowney is the definition of a freak of nature.
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Clowney's a freak plain and simple. Abraham was very good (was even a track star in high school) and it's too bad he played for such horrible teams so he didn't get more praise nationally in college but Clowney's in a league of his own. Here's an old clip of Big John Abraham his freshman year against Clemson:

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And he'll never play on a winless team his Sr season.
Thank goodness. Those were dark days.


back then, we missed out on so many of the top players in SC.
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