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Old 07-25-2013, 09:46 PM   #1
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Default Is Clowney the best DE of All Time?

Key words to remember here: All Time. I'm talking Greatest Defensive End of ALL TIME.


**Edited** Just to see if I am absolutely crazy in my thinking ** I'd like to poll CockyTalk. Feel free to reply and justify your answer or remain anonymous.

This Poll is asking:

Is Clowney the best Defensive End at ANY LEVEL on ANY TEAM, of ALL TIME?
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Old 07-25-2013, 09:50 PM   #2
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Default Re: Is Clowney the best DE of All Time?

Derrick Thomas has 27 sacks in a single season. In a SINGLE SEASON.
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Default Re: Is Clowney the best DE of All Time?

*** We agree on some things but anything about Garcia, Uniforms, or who is the Greatest Defensive End of All Time we have our differences.

I, for one, don't think Clowney deserves the title of "Greatest" yet. We all have seen how good he is, and we all know that he is going to be the #1 draft pick in the NFL draft barring nothing terrible happening.

Clowney was a 5* recruit coming out of high school. He was never tested. He dominated nearly everyone he played, no matter if he was on offense, special teams, or defense. It was unfair.

Things changed a little when he got to college. Clowney could be handled by some elite tackles but for the most part he was still causing a ruckus in the opposing teams backfield. Clowney has 21 sacks in 2 seasons as a Gamecock, and some (or 1) want to claim him as the "Greatest of All Time".

I certainly don't think he deseves that title. At least not yet. He may end up being that. But right now his stats simply don't match anyone who could possible be considered the greatest. I mean, honestly, Through 2 seasons Terrell Suggs was having just as good of a career at Arizona State.

I'm a big fan of Clowney and everything he has accomplished. He will be a very productive NFL player if he learns to play every play and not take them off and learns better technique. He has the ability and skill set to be as dominating defensive end as any in the history of the game. But, RIGHT NOW, I don't think he is the best of all time.
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Loving how no one that says yes can give a reason.
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What are we talking about? Greatest Gamecock DE, collegiate DE, or just DE?
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Default Re: Is Clowney the best DE of All Time?

Clowney is not the greatest DE ever.

To be the BEST, Clowney would have to be better than Ezra.

Clowney is not even better than Ezra yet.

Ezra Johnson played for the Green Bay Packers. But in college, He recorded 118 tackles and 28 sacks in one year. This was apparently before it was an official stat or some such foolishness.

Clowney is good though.

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What are we talking about? Greatest Gamecock DE, collegiate DE, or just DE?
No, literally the Greatest Defensive End to play the game...in general, at any level. For any team...
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No, literally the Greatest Defensive End to play the game...in general, at any level. For any team...
Love the guy, and I'm as big of a Gamecock homer as anyone, but honestly not even close. Deacon Jones, Bruce Smith, Reggie White, etc.
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Default Re: Is Clowney the best DE of All Time?

My response is limited to college not the pro's. The HBC said it well Clowney is up this year for every award a DE could get. Last year he won every award and was 6th in voting for the Heisman. Here are a few more:
1. National and international name recognition.
2. Winning record 22 and 4
3. Every Offense must ajust their game plan
4. 1st Carolina player to win a Espy for all sports
5. 1st #1 national player to sign with Carolina
6. Most talked about Carolina Player ever
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10. Good old Country Boy, who will be remembered in South Carolina Football History

Yes he is the greatest Defensive End of All time by a long shot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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My response is limited to college not the pro's. The HBC said it well Clowney is up this year for every award a DE could get. Last year he won every award and was 6th in voting for the Heisman. Here are a few more:
1. National and international name recognition.
2. Winning record 22 and 4
3. Every Offense must ajust their game plan
4. 1st Carolina player to win a Espy for all sports
5. 1st #1 national player to sign with Carolina
6. Most talked about Carolina Player ever
7. Most feared player in college football
8. Will be the #1 NFL draft pick
9. The most nominated for football awards in Carolina history
10. Good old Country Boy, who will be remembered in South Carolina Football History

Yes he is the greatest Defensive End of All time by a long shot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
First off: The question though was Greatest Defensive End of All Time at any level...so, there is that.

Second off: ESPY's have no weight in any argument. No offense but ESPY's are voted on by the fans based on shock value. He won an ESPY off 1 hit. A kid with cancer also won an ESPY for his play in a Spring Game. Not trying to downgrade the ESPY's because I love them and support the award show, but an ESPY carries no weight.

Thirdly: Every team does not change their gameplan. LSU certainly didn't they played pretty well against us.

Fourth Off: I guess you ran our of reason and wanted to make 10? Because #10 certainly carries no weight.



I'm pro Clowney but the fact that anyone can say he is the greatest DE of all time right now is absurd. I get it, you want him to be. And he damn near might be by the end of his football career! Just give it time, he's not right now. He's just not. There is no logical reason or stat you can pull up to make your case either.
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I'd really like the 5 people who said yes to say something. I know remaining anonymous is an option but that kind of defeats the purpose. I seriously only put that up there for those who wanted to vote but had nothing to say because it had already been said.

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I said not yet. The guy still has a lot of time left to prove how great he is. Hopefully we find out a lot about him this year.
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I said not yet. The guy still has a lot of time left to prove how great he is. Hopefully we find out a lot about him this year.
Couldn't agree more. Can't wait to watch him develop even more and have a tremendous career in the NFL.
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Default Re: Is Clowney the best DE of All Time?

Derrek Thomas had 27 sacks... Terrell Suggs had 24 (Arizona State)..

Is he is best ever DE?? No.. Best DE at Carolina?? Good chance... I think think John Abraham might have the nod over him (AT THIS POINT)...
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Let's bring this thread back in 10 years, then we can give a more accurate answer
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Another thing, if you say Clowney is the best DE EVER, you're saying he's already better than Bruce Thomas, Reggie White, Derrick Thomas, Dwight Freeney, Michael Strahan, Jevon Kearse, and a host of others.

Clowney is a GREAT GREAT player, but I honestly don't think you can say at this point he is better than any of those guys.
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Derrick Thomas has 27 sacks in a single season. In a SINGLE SEASON.
That guy was pure greatness.

I said no. Now if he does something crazy this year like an insane number of sacks or wins the heisman, might need to think about it.
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Thus far in his career? No. Will he be by the time he's done? Yes.
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The number 1 DE stat is sacks, so as talented as Clowney is he will not be the greatest until his name shows up in multiple slots on either both of these lists below, or holds more than 3 spots on the NFL list.

-=NFL=-
Most Sacks, career: 200 Bruce Smith, 1985-2003
Most Sacks, season: 22.5 Michael Strahan, 2001
Most Sacks, Rookie season: 14.5, Jevon Kearse, 1999
Most Sacks, game: 7.0, Derrick Thomas, Kansas City Chiefs vs. Seattle Seahawks; Nov 11, 1990
Most seasons, 1 or more Sacks: 19, Bruce Smith, 1985-2003
Most seasons, 10 or more Sacks: 13, Bruce Smith, 1986–90, 1992–98, 2000
Most consecutive seasons, 10 or more Sacks: 9, Reggie White, 1985–93;
Most consecutive games, Sack: 11, Jared Allen, 2010–2011

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Most sacks, career[edit]
FBS: 44 – Terrell Suggs, Arizona State, 2000–02[64]
FCS: 42 – Chris Gocong, Cal Poly, 2001, 2003–05[50]
Div II: 46 – Marc Schiechl, Colorado Mines, 2007–10[51]
Div III: 53 – Mike Czerwien, Waynesburg University, 2002–04[52]
Most sacks, season[edit]
FBS: 24 * – Terrell Suggs, Arizona State, 2002[64]
FCS: 23 – Chris Gocong, Cal Poly, 2005[50]
Div II: 20 – Charlie Cook, C. W. Post, 2001[51]
Div III: 39 – Steven Wilson, King's (PA), 2002[52]
* Derrick Thomas (Alabama) recorded 27 sacks in 1988, but the NCAA did not start collecting official defensive statistics until 2000.[65]
Most sacks, game[edit]
FBS: 6 – Ameer Ismail, Western Michigan vs. Ball State, Oct. 21, 2006; Elvis Dumervil, Louisville vs. Kentucky, Sep. 4, 2005[64]
FCS: 6 – Damien Huren, Southeastern Louisiana vs. Northern Colorado, Oct. 9, 2004[50]
Div II: 7 – Ron Ellington, Catawba vs. Mars Hill, Oct. 1, 2005[51]
Div III: 8 – Kevin McNamara, St. John’s (MN) vs. Monmouth (IL), Nov. 19, 2005[52]
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I might say he has the highest potential at this point in his athletic career, but to call him the best ever is crazy just yet.
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