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Old 07-29-2013, 10:38 AM   #1
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There is a hotly debated topic over on reddit right now about the topic on whether or not CFb players should be payed. There are some really good points being brought up on both sides, and some pretty intense discussion going on. My personal opinion is that if you remove all restrictions on paying college athletes, small colleges might as well forget competing. In fact, I can't remember where it is, but there's a top 25 list somewhere on the internet that shows the top 25 most valuable college football programs. Without limits those 25 will be about the only teams that can functionally compete. I understand that there's already some unequal terms in CFb considering how much more money teams like Ohio State or Texas can pump into their program than say South Florida. However, I think adding money into the recruiting process will only make things work.

I still think college players deserve to receive some spending money, which is more than enough to considering all the other benefits they receive. I will say it kinda irks me that a Coach making 2 million plus a year is saying that players deserve nothing. Bias aside, I think Coach Spurrier makes the best argument on a solution to this issue. I think this could really exacerbate into a serious issue that could really change college sports. I think if you look at the NFl, you can see why there are such serious restrictions on how much a team can pay a player because there would be serious issues.

I'm just really curious what people here think about this issue? There really is pro's and con's on both side of the debate.
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I don't think they should do it but I can see both sides being right. If they do, they should cap it. Coach Spurrier had a good idea about it being $300 per game and going straight to the players guardian. It would help out a lot of families with travel expenses to go see their kid play.
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I thought Clemson already paid players
I know you're kidding, but it's funny you said that because I know there are several people saying that cheating is so prevalent these days that they might as well make it open. I guess another side of the coin so to speak. I still don't think it makes it right though.
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It's not pay for play, it's an expenditure stipend
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I hate to say this, but Dabo has hit it on the head. I don't think players should be paid. I understand schools are making MILLIONS off of these kids, but you can't pay one if you're not going to pay them all. I think Dabo is dead on it when he says they need to adjust the scholorships. It will basically do the same thing as "paying" the players. It will give them more money in their pocket for rent, food, clothes etc, but keep them amateurs as they should be.
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I don't actually see a problem with his stance here, but there has to be a set limit that cannot fluctuate.
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Holy crap I agree with Dabo on something. Hell has frozen over.

He doesn't make as good of a point as this guy in this article does, however.
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How do people feel about endorsements and such though? I find it kinda messed up that players can be featured in commercials and such and not receive any compensation for it. At the same time, that would be so impossible to regulate. I know some people on reddit mentioned they should create a viable minor league for the NFl so that players who have no interest in school can just play for that. I don't think the NFl would even care to do that.
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I hate to say this, but Dabo has hit it on the head. I don't think players should be paid. I understand schools are making MILLIONS off of these kids, but you can't pay one if you're not going to pay them all. I think Dabo is dead on it when he says they need to adjust the scholorships. It will basically do the same thing as "paying" the players. It will give them more money in their pocket for rent, food, clothes etc, but keep them amateurs as they should be.
So basically, you are giving them more money, just doing it as a scholarship so you can say you aren't paying them more.


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I hate to say this, but Dabo has hit it on the head. I don't think players should be paid. I understand schools are making MILLIONS off of these kids, but you can't pay one if you're not going to pay them all. I think Dabo is dead on it when he says they need to adjust the scholorships. It will basically do the same thing as "paying" the players. It will give them more money in their pocket for rent, food, clothes etc, but keep them amateurs as they should be.
What is the difference between an increase to the expenditure stipend they already receive (what Spurrier wants), and an adjustment to the scholarship amount (what Dabo said)?
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I actually thought the video game was a perfect vehicle to solve this problem that sadly, was misused. First of all, if you are a revenue generating sport with enough interest to have people buying video games, you can justify giving the people represented in those games money and not the men's water polo team. If Men's Water Polo wants extra money, they need to make their sport popular enough to have a video game or other entertainment rights associated with it.

At that point, they should have taken the money and divided it equally between scholarship athletes in that sport. Let's take a look at some numbers:

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Todd Mitchell, senior analyst with New York-based Brean Capital LLC, said losing the NCAA brand isn't likely to hurt EA Sports. He estimated NCAA Football accounts for only about 5 percent of EA Sports' revenue, or about $125 million.

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So that is 125 million generated by the game. Let's say all 120 FBS programs have all 85 scholarships filled, that's a total of 10,200 football players. That means each player, per year, would receive $12,254.90. Stay in 4 years and that's roughly 50k on top of your paid scholarship. And here is the nice part, it's all football athletes! Alabama's players don't get more than Western Kentucky's. Basketball would be a different set of numbers honestly, but same premise.

If you want to be a real purist about it put it in escrow until you leave school, and you can't have been kicked out to get your share. Other expenses can be made by upping scholarships or something along that line. And no...the men's water polo team, nor the women's golf team, nor the men's wrestling team, etc. get any of that money b/c they don't have a revenue generating source like the video game. And you would have no lawsuit b/c the NCAA isn't profiting off the game at all, the athletes are.

I honestly don't see why this is so hard.
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'pay for play' implies that players would be paid differing amounts based on how much 'the market' determines they are worth to a team.

a spending expenditure would be the same amount to all players.

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I hate to say this, but Dabo has hit it on the head. I don't think players should be paid. I understand schools are making MILLIONS off of these kids, but you can't pay one if you're not going to pay them all. I think Dabo is dead on it when he says they need to adjust the scholorships. It will basically do the same thing as "paying" the players. It will give them more money in their pocket for rent, food, clothes etc, but keep them amateurs as they should be.
Aren't you contradicting yourself when you say you agree with Dumbo but he's basically saying the same thing as paying players? What's really going on here guys is Dabo totally agrees with Spurrier but he can't dare be seen on the same side, so he basically changes the wording that has the same end result without coming out and saying to Clempson nation that he agrees with Spurrier.
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Aren't you contradicting yourself when you say you agree with Dumbo but he's basically saying the same thing as paying players? What's really going on here guys is Dabo totally agrees with Spurrier but he can't dare be seen on the same side, so he basically changes the wording that has the same end result without coming out and saying to Clempson nation that he agrees with Spurrier.
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Aren't you contradicting yourself when you say you agree with Dumbo but he's basically saying the same thing as paying players? What's really going on here guys is Dabo totally agrees with Spurrier but he can't dare be seen on the same side, so he basically changes the wording that has the same end result without coming out and saying to Clempson nation that he agrees with Spurrier.

No he's not. Spurrier wants to give a select number of players (not even all of them) money. He said just last week that in each game they should pick 100 players and give them $300 or whatever for that game. There's a LOT more than 100 players for 2 teams, so no it's not the same.

Dabo is saying you raise the ceiling on a Football Scholorship and EVERYONE that gets that scholorship will get a "raise".

And I'm not contradicting myself. If you raise the scholorship "pay" it's all going to be wrapped up in one thing. A scholorship is an honor. If you pay them for playing football or basketball, then you are turning them professional. College athletes are currently "paid" as it is. I THINK they're given something around $200 a month or week or whatever. All I'm saying is, just raise that ceiling in the format it's alread in, and call it a day.
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The thing that a lot of people seem to ignore is that players already receive per diem.
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Aren't you contradicting yourself when you say you agree with Dumbo but he's basically saying the same thing as paying players? What's really going on here guys is Dabo totally agrees with Spurrier but he can't dare be seen on the same side, so he basically changes the wording that has the same end result without coming out and saying to Clempson nation that he agrees with Spurrier.
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