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Old 08-13-2013, 08:15 PM   #1
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Not just specifically cockytalk but gamecock central and the big spur have had multiple threads saying that if we don't win it all this year then we never will... I think the exact opposite! Our recruiting class for next year will be top 25 and for 2015 we are already top 3 which is freaking awesome! With our success and how we are rising as a program only makes is more marketable for recruits for years to come. Do you guy believe that if not this year then never?
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It gets a whole lot harder to win after this year with the "playoffs."

Think about it.. We've never won the SEC Championship, and this year if we do accomplish that feat, we most likely find ourselves playing for a national championship. Next season, however, if we do win the SEC Championship, we then have to play another top 4 team just for a shot at playing for a national championship.

My view is that it won't be impossible after this season, just a heck of a lot harder.
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Because we won't get an easier schedule.
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Because we won't get an easier schedule.
Or a JD Clowney.

Actually nobody will get a JD in this lifetime.
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Or a JD Clowney.

Actually nobody will get a JD in this lifetime.
They always say that, then another comes along. They said it about Julius Peppers. They said it about Michael Johnson. Etc. Etc. Etc.

There will always be a player who wins the genetic lottery.

Not saying Clowney isn't a freak and one of the best ever even before this season. Just saying your comment makes little sense and reeks of homerism.
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They always say that, then another comes along. They said it about Julius Peppers. They said it about Michael Johnson. Etc. Etc. Etc.

There will always be a player who wins the genetic lottery.

Not saying Clowney isn't a freak and one of the best ever even before this season. Just saying your comment makes little sense and reeks of homerism.
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Not just specifically cockytalk but gamecock central and the big spur have had multiple threads saying that if we don't win it all this year then we never will... I think the exact opposite! Our recruiting class for next year will be top 25 and for 2015 we are already top 3 which is freaking awesome! With our success and how we are rising as a program only makes is more marketable for recruits for years to come. Do you guy believe that if not this year then never?
A. A stronger Eastern Division. Tennessee is recruiting lights out right now, and looks to be on an upswing after years of mediocrity. Florida is on an upswing again after an 11 win season. They will have a top 5 class as usual. Kentucky, seems to be trending upward, with a new coach, solid class etc. Georgia is well, Georgia. But the East for the past several seasons has been down.

B. Easy schedule this year with LSU, Bama and Texas AM off of it. After this year, we have to beat one of those teams in the reg season as well as the SEC Championship game.

C. Shaw graduating and Clowney leaving. We are losing the keys to a recruiting run that paid dividends for the past couple of years. Going to be insanely hard to replace those leaders.
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Not just specifically cockytalk but gamecock central and the big spur have had multiple threads saying that if we don't win it all this year then we never will... I think the exact opposite! Our recruiting class for next year will be top 25 and for 2015 we are already top 3 which is freaking awesome! With our success and how we are rising as a program only makes is more marketable for recruits for years to come. Do you guy believe that if not this year then never?
They are saying that because this has been our best shot to date. It isn't true of course, we could win in 2015, 2025, 2125, who really knows. It is just a projection based on the fact that when you factor in the variables this season is our best chance to win it all.
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A. A stronger Eastern Division. Tennessee is recruiting lights out right now, and looks to be on an upswing after years of mediocrity. Florida is on an upswing again after an 11 win season. They will have a top 5 class as usual. Kentucky, seems to be trending upward, with a new coach, solid class etc. Georgia is well, Georgia. But the East for the past several seasons has been down.

B. Easy schedule this year with LSU, Bama and Texas AM off of it. After this year, we have to beat one of those teams in the reg season as well as the SEC Championship game.

C. Shaw graduating and Clowney leaving. We are losing the keys to a recruiting run that paid dividends for the past couple of years. Going to be insanely hard to replace those leaders.
A. Win anyway, the West has gotten tougher too, no one is expecting Bama to lose more. We are set up for the long haul given one or two dominos falling.

B. Easier schedule is hard to argue. Traditionally though we have lost a game we should have won. Let's see if that streak ends.

C. I think our recruiting is still doing well, we will reload.
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A lot of people would argue that lebron is but I really don't think so.
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A lot of people would argue that lebron is but I really don't think so.
I don't think Lebron is better than Michael Johnson

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I don't think Lebron is better than Michael Johnson

...I was referring to Lebron better than Jordan. I do believe Usain Bolt is better than Michael Johnson. If Bolt decides to train for the 4oom i think he will break the record. I hope he never breaks it tho
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...I was referring to Lebron better than Jordan. I do believe Usain Bolt is better than Michael Johnson. If Bolt decides to train for the 4oom i think he will break the record. I hope he never breaks it tho
I know you were, but if you scroll up, you'll see the Michael Johnson reference. I agree though about Bolt. He'll break it if he goes up.
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It gets a whole lot harder to win after this year with the "playoffs."

Think about it.. We've never won the SEC Championship, and this year if we do accomplish that feat, we most likely find ourselves playing for a national championship. Next season, however, if we do win the SEC Championship, we then have to play another top 4 team just for a shot at playing for a national championship.

My view is that it won't be impossible after this season, just a heck of a lot harder.
Does the playoffs make it harder? I don't know about that. Maybe you have to win more game to win it, but at least you have a better chance of being in it after the regular season conference championship games.
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Because we have too many that still have the old Carolina mentality and its rather ridiculous. It's almost like some are scared of success. Some of our fans need an attitude adjustment. Too many chicken littles and sky is falling types. People don't want to believe we're now here to stay. They're scared to death that when Spurrier leaves we'll just return to mediocrity, as if we won't ever be able to get a quality coach again. I just shake my head at our fans sometimes.
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Because we have too many that still have the old Carolina mentality and its rather ridiculous. It's almost like some are scared of success. Some of our fans need an attitude adjustment. Too many chicken littles and sky is falling types. People don't want to believe we're now here to stay. They're scared to death that when Spurrier leaves we'll just return to mediocrity, as if we won't ever be able to get a quality coach again. I just shake my head at our fans sometimes.
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Some people are glass half-full types, some are glass half-empty types. Neither is more right than the other and each has their reasoning for their thinking. I find myself to be more of a glass half-full type (positive about the future) but I also tend to have a more levelheaded approach to my thinking. Sometimes this approach gets me called a "realist" which I am fine with. I'm not a person who where's "Garnet glasses" or drinks the "Garnet Kool-Aid". I very much like and appreciate the general thoughts but some people get carried away with their glass half-full thoughts. It's when people start acting like nothing bad can ever happen, or upsets never happen that I get annoyed - or when people start treating players (who have performed well) like they are the best thing to be apart of Carolina football.

I tend to just want to say "Lets not get carried away" but that doesn't get the job done so sometimes I have to be the "negative nancy" to put things back into perspective. Does that get me a lot of enemies? Sure - some people/users generally don't like or appreciate my post but I feel like they are true so I have no problem posting them.

I also believe that users on this site get so offended when people do no agree with their opinion. This ranges from other users, to bloggers, to National Analyst, to even the common-place side-job author who writes on the side for fun. They get so insulted, which infuriates them. Someone says we (USC) might lose to Tennessee, here comes a post about how the guy that said it is a moron! Yep, he's a moron for having an opinion that's different than yours. Forget his reasoning that might be completely logical. Let's not look at that. You can substitute any team in for Tennessee and it's the same thing.

I've seen it go down and I've seen the insults fly my way when I question why they think <enter author, blogger, analyst, user here> is wrong. Oh you agree? No, most of the time I don't agree, but they have valid points so it's not like you can call them a moron and end the discussion. That is what this place is for after all - to discuss life in general but mostly Gamecock Sports.

But back to your point: What's wrong with the older fans? With age comes wisdom. I don't really believe that because I've met some old dumb ****s. But the older fans have seen hyped teams fail or fall on their face. They've seen upsets that should've never happened. They've seen way more failure than they have success. So yes, while our time is now and will only continue to grow from the time being, you can't really question their doubt. They won't believe until it actually happens. To be honest, even though I said I was a "glass half-full" guy, I actually happen to agree with them.

There is a lot of good going on with Carolina football right now, and I've never been more proud to call myself a Carolina fan. Growing up I didn't care about South Carolina - I just always hated Clemson. I really didn't even want to go to South Carolina. I applied to about 25 schools and got into a lot of them, but decided to stay close to home and went to USC. That's when I really started being a fan. I've been a fan now for 7 years and it's been a pretty good stretch. Probably the best 7 year stretch in Carolina football history. Something I've learned a lot about and even researched to really get to know the ins and outs of the program. I remember watching the games when I was younger, just not caring who won - and now I get pissed when things go wrong. However, with every up there is to say about this program and this season - there are plenty of things that can go wrong, and plenty of reasons to worry.

Some of the best things to look forward too:

-Favorable Schedule
-A dominating Defensive Line
-A decent secondary
-A great coach
-Two Good QB's
-A good RB duo
-Promising OL

Some of the biggest worries about the season:

-Inconsistent (by stats) play from Connor Shaw on the road
-Young LB's
-Untested LB's
-LB Depth
-DB Depth
-Road games @ Arkansas, @ Tennessee, and @ Missouri
-The fact that everyone isn't worried about Missouri at all

Now I imagine some one that actually reads this entire post will look at some of those "worries" I mentioned and want to immediately call me an idiot. But I would gladly explain why I said any of those.
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Because we have too many that still have the old Carolina mentality and its rather ridiculous. It's almost like some are scared of success. Some of our fans need an attitude adjustment. Too many chicken littles and sky is falling types. People don't want to believe we're now here to stay. They're scared to death that when Spurrier leaves we'll just return to mediocrity, as if we won't ever be able to get a quality coach again. I just shake my head at our fans sometimes.
Bingo! It's hilarious how fans will get on here and cry because some talking head says we are a one man team and that after JD leaves we will slip back into mediocrity, then come on here and basically repeat the same garbage. I got news for you, if we win the SEC it won't be because of JD, sure he helps but you don't win the best conference in America because of a Defensive End. QB sure, but not a DE. Look at what we are building here people, we aren't the Florida Marlins, built for a one or two year run and then the band breaks up. Give me all the reasons you wan't for why we won't continue on this successful run and I will match it with a reason why we will.
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