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Old 08-26-2013, 11:08 PM   #1
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I bumped into an interesting read tonight and I don't think the link has been posted. If it has I'm sorry.

http://northcarolina.scout.com/2/1319571.html

The one thing I'm not clear about is how the QB Blocks Clowney. Maybe he tries not to see him coming? If that is true, I hope Fedora has enough QB's to get thru the game.
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that's a great plan, now i wonder what spurrier's plan is for that plan, and fedora's plan is for the plan for that plan
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In the words of Mike Tyson, "Everybody has a plan until they get hit"
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Another method Larry Fedora’s spread offense utilizes in countering talented defensive ends is by using its quarterback to “block” the defender. While a fullback may be responsible for blocking a player of Clowney’s ilk in a pro-style scheme, UNC’s inside zone read allows for Renner to read a defensive end – in effect, blocking him – during his decision-making process.
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I bumped into an interesting read tonight and I don't think the link has been posted. If it has I'm sorry.

http://northcarolina.scout.com/2/1319571.html

The one thing I'm not clear about is how the QB Blocks Clowney. Maybe he tries not to see him coming? If that is true, I hope Fedora has enough QB's to get thru the game.
That's adorable...they believe they'll be the team that can block Clowney. They're even wearing little helmets and everything!

Getting the QB to block Clowney would get somebody hurt. They're saying the read-option can slow him down because the QB can decide to keep the ball or hand it off depending on where Clowney is. But I just don't think they realize what they'll be up against. That will probably result in both QB & RB getting throttled at the same time because Clowney can get back there much quicker than they're probably anticipating. And all the screen passes, hurry up stuff is a fine strategy. Unfortunately for them, it's nothing new and if they don't get it going early, they're screwed. A few three and outs followed by us getting a decent lead will force them to abandon that strategy and go to more of a drop back type of thing, which is about like standing in the middle of I-20. clemson tried this same sort of plan and Boyd was on his ass 4.5 times at Clowneys expense. Can't blame them for trying it b/c it's about the only option they have but good f'n luck....been there done that.
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Fedora might as well take a couple of plays from this book from the looks of this article...
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It means simply that, like every other inside zone read package in the country, the QB options a DL on the backside. In this case, if Clowny crashes on the inside run, the QB pulls the ball and runs through the area vacated by the DE. If he plays the QB run, the QB hands off to the RB. That read is sometimes referred to as blocking the DE with your QB. You guys run some of that, too. No?

If you Google "Chip Kelly's Offense", you'll find a site run by Oregon fans that breaks down those basic zone read plays with video. Not exactly the same offense but the basic concepts apply.
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It means simply that, like every other inside zone read package in the country, the QB options a DL on the backside. In this case, if Clowny crashes on the inside run, the QB pulls the ball and runs through the area vacated by the DE. If he plays the QB run, the QB hands off to the RB. That read is sometimes referred to as blocking the DE with your QB. You guys run some of that, too. No?

If you Google "Chip Kelly's Offense", you'll find a site run by Oregon fans that breaks down those basic zone read plays with video. Not exactly the same offense but the basic concepts apply.
You're correct, our offense has run that a good bit....especially when Lattimore was here. That's what Shaw did all through HS as well.
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It means simply that, like every other inside zone read package in the country, the QB options a DL on the backside. In this case, if Clowny crashes on the inside run, the QB pulls the ball and runs through the area vacated by the DE. If he plays the QB run, the QB hands off to the RB. That read is sometimes referred to as blocking the DE with your QB. You guys run some of that, too. No?

If you Google "Chip Kelly's Offense", you'll find a site run by Oregon fans that breaks down those basic zone read plays with video. Not exactly the same offense but the basic concepts apply.

See post #4...it is but one example of the effectiveness of the ZR on clowney's side of center. I lost count of how many times he blew up the zone read last year.
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^I get what you are saying about Clowny covering a lot of ground. The thing that shuts down the IZR is the defenders on the playside beating their blocks and taking that RB away at the point of attack.

Renner's supposedly running better after two years of playing through pain (ankle injuries & bone spurs in his feet) but I'll believe him to be a credible running threat when I see it.
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IMO the ZR would be more effective if run to the other side.
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It means simply that, like every other inside zone read package in the country, the QB options a DL on the backside. In this case, if Clowny crashes on the inside run, the QB pulls the ball and runs through the area vacated by the DE. If he plays the QB run, the QB hands off to the RB. That read is sometimes referred to as blocking the DE with your QB. You guys run some of that, too. No?

If you Google "Chip Kelly's Offense", you'll find a site run by Oregon fans that breaks down those basic zone read plays with video. Not exactly the same offense but the basic concepts apply.
And Clowney showed that he can beat it. That particular zone read is the same everywhere pretty much. It is a great play when executed properly thats why so many teams use it. Oregon doesn't just use it, their entire offense is based off that truly. I have been to that site and watched all their videos. Truly amazing stuff.
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See post #4...it is but one example of the effectiveness of the ZR on clowney's side of center. I lost count of how many times he blew up the zone read last year.
I had actually intended that reply for the other poster. I think that piece was written to describe for us layfolk how some of the things you would do to slow down a guy like Clowney are built into the offense. Honestly, I don't think the staff intends to make a living off Renner running the ball all night.
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And Clowney showed that he can beat it. That particular zone read is the same everywhere pretty much. It is a great play when executed properly thats why so many teams use it. Oregon doesn't just use it, their entire offense is based off that truly. I have been to that site and watched all their videos. Truly amazing stuff.
The guy that does those is a cheeseball. I just can't tell if it's intentional or not.
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I can just see that perimeter screen guy catching inside and getting BLOWN UP by Clowney.
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I'd probably plan it the same way, honestly. It's a good play but one other thing to take in to account, even if it can slow down #7 (huge IF), it's assuming the freshman LG is keeping Sutton out of the backfield. Another DE in your face after deciding to keep it negates the effectiveness. But like I said earlier, it is the best approach to take. Traditional drop back plays would imply that the coach hates Renner.
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I'd probably plan it the same way, honestly. It's a good play but one other thing to take in to account, even if it can slow down #7 (huge IF), it's assuming the freshman LG is keeping Sutton out of the backfield. Another DE in your face after deciding to keep it negates the effectiveness. But like I said earlier, it is the best approach to take. Traditional drop back plays would imply that the coach hates Renner.
Yeah. I don't doubt that Clowney blew up a lot of plays last year but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of it was due to the strength of the DL at the point of attack - I.e. RB tries to find a cutback lane and Clowney closes it off really quick.
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I'd probably plan it the same way, honestly. It's a good play but one other thing to take in to account, even if it can slow down #7 (huge IF), it's assuming the freshman LG is keeping Sutton out of the backfield. Another DE in your face after deciding to keep it negates the effectiveness. But like I said earlier, it is the best approach to take. Traditional drop back plays would imply that the coach hates Renner.

yeah, he could ZR to the right, hand the ball off on the dive or QB keeper (run)...but god help him if he pulls it back from the RB and looks downfield to pass...because you know who will be coming on the blind side.
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