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Old 08-31-2013, 04:49 PM   #1
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One thing our offensive linemen need to work on, especially the tackles, is to block the entire play. They had a pretty good game on Thursday but one thing that's been a problem for a while now is a lot of the time they make initial contact with a defender and then just stop blocking. Here's an example, watch both Brandon Shell and Corey Robinson on Wilds' run on 4th down. They both hit their guy and do a good job of pushing them back but then they stop blocking. Both of the guys they hit end up getting back into the pile and (unsuccessfully) start pushing back against Wilds. On this same play, Cann does a great job of finishing the block. Like I said, it doesn't happen every time, but it happens more often than it should.

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Its also a scheme thing. It was short yardage situation. The OL needed just a short push to get the first. I liked our OL performance against NC.
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Its also a scheme thing. It was short yardage situation. The OL needed just a short push to get the first. I liked our OL performance against NC.
Maybe it's a scheme thing but then that needs to be fixed because both of those players got in on the play. I agree, the OL played pretty well against UNC, this is just something I've notice the past few years.
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I was absolutely trying my best to stay out of this discussion but I'm going to share a practical (football) point-of-view about our O-Lines's performance.

1. The 1st philosophy of a dominat offensive line is to reestablish the line of scrimmage. (i.e. moving immovable objects - by force) I have to be honest & admitt that, as a die hard Gamecock fan, I only care that we win. However, as a former player and student of the game I watch position battles & evaluate "how" we win. Our offensive line didn't create nearly enough push as their 50+ pound advantage should have allowed. I agree 1,000% with the poster that the plays are not being finished by our lineman(boys). That has to change.

Brandon Shell mentioned that the #1 piece of advice he's gotten from his uncle (Art Shell) was to finish plays. Our boys make initial contact & start looking around for the ball carriers.

2. The second philosophy of a dominant offensive line is to play THROUGH the whistle & sometimes that means a late whistle. When you see our ball carriers being ridden to the ground by 5 & 6 defenders & our offensive line is standing there watching. That's a problem because the whistle hasn't blown. Lunacy!!!!!!

3. In the old school - There is a huge pride in a concept called "3 yards in a cloud of dust". It ain't pretty or flashy but if an offensive line can generate enough push to advance the ball 3 to 4 yards a pop, then guess what, the chains keep moving because we're enforcing our will against the opponent.

4. Last, this type of philosophy may not be what our guys are being taught but I can assure you that it's the style of play that wins champinships. As a matter of fact, which types of teams have won the last 5? The zone read & inside zone only requires a lane to be opened in an instant. It's up to the H-Back to see the hole & hit it. My wish is that those plays become situational & we play hard nosed football on the offensive line. Yes, it takes a certain mentality but if you train up an athlete under be right philosophy, THEY WILL ADAPT.

I'm hopeful but we need to step it up on the O-Line

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Old 08-31-2013, 09:25 PM   #5
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I was absolutely trying my best to stay out of this discussion but I'm going to share a practical (football) point-of-view about our O-Lines's performance.

1. The 1st philosophy of a dominat offensive line is to reestablish the line of scrimmage. (i.e. moving immovable objects - by force) I have to be honest & admitt that, as a die hard Gamecock fan, I only care that we win. However, as a former player and student of the game I watch position battles & evaluate "how" we win. Our offensive line didn't create nearly enough push as their 50+ pound advantage should have allowed. I agree 1,000% with the poster that the plays are not being finished by our lineman(boys). That has to change.

Brandon Shell mentioned that the #1 piece of advice he's gotten from his uncle (Art Shell) was to finish plays. Our boys make initial contact & start looking around for the ball carriers.

2. The second philosophy of a dominant offensive line is to play THROUGH the whistle & sometimes that means a late whistle. When you see our ball carriers being ridden to the ground by 5 & 6 defenders & our offensive line is standing there watching. That's a problem because the whistle hasn't blown. Lunacy!!!!!!

3. In the old school - There is a huge pride in a concept called "3 yards in a cloud of dust". It ain't pretty or flashy but if an offensive line can generate enough push to advance the ball 3 to 4 yards a pop, then guess what, the chains keep moving because we're enforcing our will against the opponent.

4. Last, this type of philosophy may not be what our guys are being taught but I can assure you that it's the style of play that wins champinships. As a matter of fact, which types of teams have won the last 5? The zone read & inside zone only requires a lane to be opened in an instant. It's up to the H-Back to see the hole & hit it. My wish is that those plays become situational & we play hard nosed football on the offensive line. Yes, it takes a certain mentality but if you train up an athlete under be right philosophy, THEY WILL ADAPT.

I'm hopeful but we need to step it up on the O-Line

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My thoughts exactly, but I didn't go to USC so I can't hold my hand up.

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Its also a scheme thing. It was short yardage situation. The OL needed just a short push to get the first. I liked our OL performance against NC.
You still ought to play until the whistle though, it's not like chopping in the box on passing downs.
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One thing our offensive linemen need to work on, especially the tackles, is to block the entire play. They had a pretty good game on Thursday but one thing that's been a problem for a while now is a lot of the time they make initial contact with a defender and then just stop blocking. Here's an example, watch both Brandon Shell and Corey Robinson on Wilds' run on 4th down. They both hit their guy and do a good job of pushing them back but then they stop blocking. Both of the guys they hit end up getting back into the pile and (unsuccessfully) start pushing back against Wilds. On this same play, Cann does a great job of finishing the block. Like I said, it doesn't happen every time, but it happens more often than it should.

I'm impressed you noticed that, have you been legitimately studying the film or something to that effect?
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Its also a scheme thing. It was short yardage situation. The OL needed just a short push to get the first. I liked our OL performance against NC.
I saw it a lot. Not just short yardage.
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I'm impressed you noticed that, have you been legitimately studying the film or something to that effect?
I was taught at an early age that football is all about offensive line vs defensive line. When I'm at games, that's what I'm watching 99% of the time. Same on TV/replays.


It's a problem that is easily correctable, I just hope it's corrected.
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It's a problem that is easily correctable, I just hope it's corrected.
Well it stood out on that clip and they all get graded after each game.
Still factor in the zone blocking scheme and the heat-midity. Check them again in a few weeks and see if has improved.

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that plus if there isnt a big hole or much push youre giving your rb a chance to make a play on his own. an example of this was the detroit lions in 1997. the new coach gave barry sanders a fullback for the first time since he was in the nfl. first two games 53 yards total. after that 2nd game they told everyone to hold their blocks longer. the result, 2000 yards over the next 14 games including an nfl record 14 straight 100 yard games.

i saw multiple times in pass blocking where they stunted and it looked like cody waldrop didnt recognize it. he would be doubling someone and a free rusher would come into his area and he wouldnt pick him up. pass blocking overall i thought was pretty good, but its something we need to clean up.
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I wouldn't worry about it. our boys will be ready to play every game. And with the break coming in 2 weeks, plenty of time to correct the mistakes and dominate throughout the year.
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Robinson knocked his man back 4 yds. Nice block. I think youre off base. I see what you are saying but the play was not on his side. If every lineman makes his initial block every play should score.
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