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Old 09-23-2013, 12:06 AM   #1
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Default Difference between Lawing and Deke and how it is playing out on field.

Lawing focused on gap control. Quote from Chaz regarding Lawing.. "But when we were playing in the gap (under Lawing) you've got to kind of hold up, let the linebackers flow and hope that you can go make a play."

Deke is more aggressive. Here is a quote from Chaz regarding Deke... ""It's easier for us to make plays now because we can just get upfield and react and get to the ball." He also says that Deke focuses on attacking every play by getting up field as fast as possible.

I was thinking about how that has kind of played out in what we have seen on the field.

First, we are one of the top teams in the country in sacks and tackles for a loss. You get those by being aggressive and getting into the backfield.

On the other hand, we don't look as good as in past years at stopping runs like the Wildcat, etc because we are struggling at filling gaps.

I really don't know that one is better than the other as far as philosophy. I know people are going to say that Lawing's philosophy is better, but I think it is too early to tell. We are only 3 games into the season.

But I will say this. I think one problem we have seen is that it is hard to have your d-lineman be that aggressive and give up gap control when you have a linebacking group as young as ours.
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Default Re: Difference between Lawing and Deke and how it is playing out on field.

Interesting write-up. I can definitely see why we are struggling if this is true. Our D line is very aggressive and it puts a lot of responsibility on our linebackers, which is something that they are obviously not ready for.
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Old 09-23-2013, 01:52 AM   #3
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Lawing focused on gap control. Quote from Chaz regarding Lawing.. "But when we were playing in the gap (under Lawing) you've got to kind of hold up, let the linebackers flow and hope that you can go make a play."

Deke is more aggressive. Here is a quote from Chaz regarding Deke... ""It's easier for us to make plays now because we can just get upfield and react and get to the ball." He also says that Deke focuses on attacking every play by getting up field as fast as possible.

I was thinking about how that has kind of played out in what we have seen on the field.

First, we are one of the top teams in the country in sacks and tackles for a loss. You get those by being aggressive and getting into the backfield.

On the other hand, we don't look as good as in past years at stopping runs like the Wildcat, etc because we are struggling at filling gaps.

I really don't know that one is better than the other as far as philosophy. I know people are going to say that Lawing's philosophy is better, but I think it is too early to tell. We are only 3 games into the season.

But I will say this. I think one problem we have seen is that it is hard to have your d-lineman be that aggressive and give up gap control when you have a linebacking group as young as ours.
I think our coaches misjudged the inexperience we had at LB......I think the DL is fine.
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Old 09-23-2013, 02:31 AM   #4
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We're not struggling as much as you think.

We're holding opponents to 73% of their average passing attack, 92% of their average rushing attack, and 85% of their scoring average.
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I have no doubt that if we put last years lb sqaud on this defense our d would be much stronger regardless of the defensive philosophy.

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Old 09-23-2013, 05:08 AM   #6
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deke adams. deke adams. deke adams. deke adams. deke adams. hey guys.... you know what? deke adams.
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Jd is missing devin taylor playing contain on opposite side. That is what I have seen
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I think the aggressive style is hurting us because of our young LBs. Teams know that our DEs are slanting inside and they are getting to the corner on us which never happened in recent years.
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One difference is that Lawing seemed to frequently mention teaching his DL that learning to use their hands was a key. Haven't heard Adams mention that, though of course he could have.
I bring that up because one analyst noted (don't remember who)that our DL didn't seem to be using their hands well and were getting locked up by the OL and so were often unable to get off blocks. That was mentioned about our LB as well, btw.
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We're not struggling as much as you think.

We're holding opponents to 73% of their average passing attack, 92% of their average rushing attack, and 85% of their scoring average.
Isn't it illegal to interrupt perfectly good rants with stone cold facts?
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Lawing focused on gap control. Quote from Chaz regarding Lawing.. "But when we were playing in the gap (under Lawing) you've got to kind of hold up, let the linebackers flow and hope that you can go make a play."

Deke is more aggressive. Here is a quote from Chaz regarding Deke... ""It's easier for us to make plays now because we can just get upfield and react and get to the ball." He also says that Deke focuses on attacking every play by getting up field as fast as possible.

I was thinking about how that has kind of played out in what we have seen on the field.

First, we are one of the top teams in the country in sacks and tackles for a loss. You get those by being aggressive and getting into the backfield.

On the other hand, we don't look as good as in past years at stopping runs like the Wildcat, etc because we are struggling at filling gaps.

I really don't know that one is better than the other as far as philosophy. I know people are going to say that Lawing's philosophy is better, but I think it is too early to tell. We are only 3 games into the season.

But I will say this. I think one problem we have seen is that it is hard to have your d-lineman be that aggressive and give up gap control when you have a linebacking group as young as ours.

Great post and I agree that the idea of the aggressive play is a good thing, but that it also puts pressure on our VERY inexperienced linebackers.

I think we'll only go as far this season as those linebackers and the offense will take us. Who would have ever thought that we'd be questioning our dline play and who would have thought that we'd be saying that our offensive line play might even be somewhat better than our dline play?

I know our dline is performing good...but certainly not to the level of last season's dline.
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We're holding opponents to 73% of their average passing attack, 92% of their average rushing attack, and 85% of their scoring average.
At this point in the season you have to look at the level of competition before getting too excited about this. Georgia is the only opponent who has played another top 25 team and we gave up more points than their first opponent and only four fewer than North Texas. Massachusetts also gave up one fewer point to Vanderbilt than we did.

Ultimately points on the board is more important than how many yards a team gives up.
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Lawing focused on gap control. Quote from Chaz regarding Lawing.. "But when we were playing in the gap (under Lawing) you've got to kind of hold up, let the linebackers flow and hope that you can go make a play."

Deke is more aggressive. Here is a quote from Chaz regarding Deke... ""It's easier for us to make plays now because we can just get upfield and react and get to the ball." He also says that Deke focuses on attacking every play by getting up field as fast as possible.

I was thinking about how that has kind of played out in what we have seen on the field.

First, we are one of the top teams in the country in sacks and tackles for a loss. You get those by being aggressive and getting into the backfield.

On the other hand, we don't look as good as in past years at stopping runs like the Wildcat, etc because we are struggling at filling gaps.

I really don't know that one is better than the other as far as philosophy. I know people are going to say that Lawing's philosophy is better, but I think it is too early to tell. We are only 3 games into the season.

But I will say this. I think one problem we have seen is that it is hard to have your d-lineman be that aggressive and give up gap control when you have a linebacking group as young as ours.
Absolutely agree with this. I said in another thread that I thought Lawing was a better coach than Deke, but I think I may have been wrong about that. I think Deke is a good coach, but I think Lawing's philosophy was a better fit for our defense. Lawing's style called for the D-Line to be gap sound, therefore better at stopping the run. And it freed the linebackers up to fly around and make plays(as we all were used to seeing D. Stewart, A. Allen, Holloman, Norwood, and so on do). With Dekes philosophy the Linebackers have to be gap sound for us to be effective, and like we all know, they're inexperienced and it's gonna take time.
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It's good and bad. If you run to the right spot ... you make a huge play ... if you run to the wrong spot, they're going to run straight past you ... thus how the Wildcat killed us against Vandy. We were picking the wrong spots.
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Lawing focused on gap control. Quote from Chaz regarding Lawing.. "But when we were playing in the gap (under Lawing) you've got to kind of hold up, let the linebackers flow and hope that you can go make a play."

Deke is more aggressive. Here is a quote from Chaz regarding Deke... ""It's easier for us to make plays now because we can just get upfield and react and get to the ball." He also says that Deke focuses on attacking every play by getting up field as fast as possible.

I was thinking about how that has kind of played out in what we have seen on the field.

First, we are one of the top teams in the country in sacks and tackles for a loss. You get those by being aggressive and getting into the backfield.

On the other hand, we don't look as good as in past years at stopping runs like the Wildcat, etc because we are struggling at filling gaps.

I really don't know that one is better than the other as far as philosophy. I know people are going to say that Lawing's philosophy is better, but I think it is too early to tell. We are only 3 games into the season.

But I will say this. I think one problem we have seen is that it is hard to have your d-lineman be that aggressive and give up gap control when you have a linebacking group as young as ours.
You are wrong about the wildcat. We have sucked against that attack for years. McFadden set rushing records against us with it. UK upset us using it. We have not been able to stop the wildcat effectively for a very long time. This is a continuation of a problem that was present as far back as under Ellis Johnson and maybe even before Ellis, or as some say, BE.
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This year's aggressive nature would've worked last year.
But this year, we almost need that restraint to allow our LBs to have time to react.

This goes to communication between the defensive staff. They have to work as a unit...the Dline can't go do its own thing and leave the LB and DBs to fend for themselves.

The youth at LB is our weakness, so we need to scheme and coach around that, and having our Dline play more gap control would help that.
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This year's aggressive nature would've worked last year.
But this year, we almost need that restraint to allow our LBs to have time to react.

This goes to communication between the defensive staff. They have to work as a unit...the Dline can't go do its own thing and leave the LB and DBs to fend for themselves.

The youth at LB is our weakness, so we need to scheme and coach around that, and having our Dline play more gap control would help that.
I'm convinced that right there is the reason for the dust up on the sideline. Botkin was pissed that his LB's were being left out to dry.
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It's good and bad. If you run to the right spot ... you make a huge play ... if you run to the wrong spot, they're going to run straight past you ... thus how the Wildcat killed us against Vandy. We were picking the wrong spots.
Yeah, I think this explains why there are a lot of holes in our DL. I don' t think we have the LB corp right now to play defense this way. Our DL are getting cut blocked and pushed too far wide and their blockers are getting to the second level and our LB's and DBs are hanging on to these big backs for dear life. Hopefully if Ced Cooper gets back in the fold he can make a difference.
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Yeah, I think this explains why there are a lot of holes in our DL. I don' t think we have the LB corp right now to play defense this way. Our DL are getting cut blocked and pushed too far wide and their blockers are getting to the second level and our LB's and DBs are hanging on to these big backs for dear life. Hopefully if Ced Cooper gets back in the fold he can make a difference.
They also need to tackle properly. I saw a bunch of high attacks by the smaller LB on Gurley. Hit the hips, wrap up, drive ,and lift the legs. Gurley can be 500 pounds and he still wouldn't go anywhere.
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We're holding opponents to 73% of their average passing attack, 92% of their average rushing attack, and 85% of their scoring average.
Numbers are funny. Neat how they can be used to shape whatever argument you like.

In the end, we are 47th ranked team in total defense. Behind the likes of Vandy, East Carolina, and the powerhouse of Memphis. ( as well as 44 others)

Tied for 57 in rushing defense...

No bueno.

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