CockyTalk

Welcome to Cockytalk!

Thank you for visiting our forum. As a guest, you have limited access to view some discussion and articles. By joining our free community, you will be able to view all discussions and articles, post your own topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload photos, participate in Pick'Em contests and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free, so please join our community today!!

If you have any problems registering or logging in, please contact our Admins. Thanks!

Go Back   CockyTalk > Gamecocks Sports > The Cock Pit

Today's Top 10
Posters (by posts)Threads (by views)Newest Posts Gamecock Headlines 
CockyLifer
Spurrier_Superior_On
18IsTheMan
b381l
Order 66
catdaddy66
Clowneygotcha
gadeneer1986
cockyguitar
NinjaSven
Looking ahead to UGA (3374)
My Observations Abou (2886)
Gurley lined up to t (1568)
Who else wants to se (1451)
Kelcy and Victor Ham (1102)
How far do we fall.. (1096)
Shaq Roland (1055)
I Am Ashamed (1040)
Shon Carson at KR (864)
Time to quit crying. (651)
My Observations About USC
Who else wants to see Con
How far do we fall...
Signee James Thompson arr
Confused fan here. Why i
Looking ahead to UGA
Should be interesting in
I Am Ashamed
Seems like a lot of troll
2015 Commitment - Michael


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-30-2013, 04:53 PM   #1
trapper82
1st Team All-SEC
 
trapper82's Avatar
 
Male

Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Florence, SC
Posts: 4,488
CockyCash: 500
trapper82 is USC mascot materialtrapper82 is USC mascot materialtrapper82 is USC mascot materialtrapper82 is USC mascot materialtrapper82 is USC mascot materialtrapper82 is USC mascot materialtrapper82 is USC mascot materialtrapper82 is USC mascot materialtrapper82 is USC mascot materialtrapper82 is USC mascot materialtrapper82 is USC mascot material
Default If we ran a true 4-3 for the rest of this season...

A friend of mine and I were talking about some of the issues many people have discovered. This is more of a question thread than a statement. I am not a coach, don't pretend to be. So can someone please answer these questions?

1. If we ran a 4-3, what personnel would we use?

My friend suggested this:

Lewis or Walton - MLB (6-0, 221 lb./6-0, 234 lb.)
Cooper or Roberts - LOLB 6-2, 213 lb./6-1, 225 lb.)
Moore or Bryant - ROLB (6-2, 205 lb./6-0 215 lb.)

The downside here would be experience, but if a guy is where he is supposed to be and can't bring a guy down then is there that much of a difference. Also, it doesn't seem people are where they are supposed to be in the current setup either.

2. What is the benefit of a 4-2-5 vs. a 4-3?

I have heard several things on here, mostly related to stopping the spread of the Tebow days. It also, theoretically, lets you get more talented guys who fit into a Safety slot moreso than a LB on the field per some. It was implemented at a time when we had more DB's/Safetys than we could fit on the field, I heard one person say. Other than that...what real benefit does it provide?

3. How hard is it to transition from one to another?

When I asked this earlier, I was told it is not really that difficult. With as many DB's and Safeties as we have on the team, how much beef would it add and how much of a difference could it make?
__________________
You can't spell EXCUSE without the "CU."
trapper82 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2013, 04:56 PM   #2
b381l
Heisman Winner
 
b381l's Avatar
 
Male

Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Virginia
Posts: 22,323
CockyCash: 52205
b381l is USC mascot materialb381l is USC mascot materialb381l is USC mascot materialb381l is USC mascot materialb381l is USC mascot materialb381l is USC mascot materialb381l is USC mascot materialb381l is USC mascot materialb381l is USC mascot materialb381l is USC mascot materialb381l is USC mascot material
Default Re: If we ran a true 4-3 for the rest of this season...

Quote:
Originally Posted by trapper82 View Post
A friend of mine and I were talking about some of the issues many people have discovered. This is more of a question thread than a statement. I am not a coach, don't pretend to be. So can someone please answer these questions?

1. If we ran a 4-3, what personnel would we use?

My friend suggested this:

Lewis or Walton - MLB (6-0, 221 lb./6-0, 234 lb.)
Cooper or Roberts - LOLB 6-2, 213 lb./6-1, 225 lb.)
Moore or Bryant - ROLB (6-2, 205 lb./6-0 215 lb.)

The downside here would be experience, but if a guy is where he is supposed to be and can't bring a guy down then is there that much of a difference. Also, it doesn't seem people are where they are supposed to be in the current setup either.

2. What is the benefit of a 4-2-5 vs. a 4-3?

I have heard several things on here, mostly related to stopping the spread of the Tebow days. It also, theoretically, lets you get more talented guys who fit into a Safety slot moreso than a LB on the field per some. It was implemented at a time when we had more DB's/Safetys than we could fit on the field, I heard one person say. Other than that...what real benefit does it provide?

3. How hard is it to transition from one to another?

When I asked this earlier, I was told it is not really that difficult. With as many DB's and Safeties as we have on the team, how much beef would it add and how much of a difference could it make?
In theory, the 4-2 is designed to stop more of a passing offense. I think Golightly is just too small and is overmatched to play the SPUR position.
b381l is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2013, 05:10 PM   #3
cockinraleigh
2nd Team All-SEC
 
cockinraleigh's Avatar
 
Male

Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Raleigh
Posts: 2,749
CockyCash: 88700
cockinraleigh is USC mascot materialcockinraleigh is USC mascot materialcockinraleigh is USC mascot materialcockinraleigh is USC mascot materialcockinraleigh is USC mascot materialcockinraleigh is USC mascot materialcockinraleigh is USC mascot materialcockinraleigh is USC mascot materialcockinraleigh is USC mascot materialcockinraleigh is USC mascot materialcockinraleigh is USC mascot material
Default Re: If we ran a true 4-3 for the rest of this season...

4-2-5 allows us to stay in base defense and personnel more in 3 WR sets.
cockinraleigh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2013, 05:11 PM   #4
SpecOps Cock
Banned
 
SpecOps Cock's Avatar
 
Male

Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: The Bluff
Posts: 1,449
CockyCash: 200
SpecOps Cock is USC mascot materialSpecOps Cock is USC mascot materialSpecOps Cock is USC mascot materialSpecOps Cock is USC mascot materialSpecOps Cock is USC mascot materialSpecOps Cock is USC mascot materialSpecOps Cock is USC mascot materialSpecOps Cock is USC mascot materialSpecOps Cock is USC mascot materialSpecOps Cock is USC mascot materialSpecOps Cock is USC mascot material
Default Re: If we ran a true 4-3 for the rest of this season...

4-3 to 4-2-5 is basically the same thing. The scheme is different and was designed to stop a spread offense. The problem with us running a 4-3 is the inexperience of the secondary and lack of size in the middle. Even though a lot of teams will run a 3-4 or 4-3 they will resort to a 4-2-5 for a spread team on a lot of plays. With a team that tends to line up and run we need to run a 4-3 with some big guys in the middle for gap control.

Another thing that I see is the assignments that are given to the D-line. There aren't a lot of stunts and when we shift it usually doesn't make sense. I also think that this "go up field " idea Adams has needs to be revised and looked at in a different light. Teams are figuring out that we tend too play soft and exposing that along with our inexperience. One thing that we need to do a little more of is the blitz.

The only thing that changes the 4-3 to 4-2-5 is the spur. With the play of our spur we are basically playing a 4-3. I think that Whammy needs to figure out a way to disguise some crazy stuff.
SpecOps Cock is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:20 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Provided by SLB Development