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Old 10-02-2013, 04:46 PM   #1
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Ran up on this little badass just after Lunch today. Haven't seen as many
snakes this year as I usaually do along that circle I drive around during
the late spring / summer. Haven't even been out there in about a month
and since it's about time for snakes to become less active, I wasn't really
expecting to see anything today.....Just killin' time really. But I saw
this little sucker crawling out of the tall grass between the road and a
small "swampy looking pond" and I got out to see what kind of snake it
was. .... This little terror got defensive and started striking before I got
out of the truck good. He was less than 8" long but he can still make a
good day go bad in a heartbeat. I didn't have my digital camera that I carry for work
today, so I had to snap these with the cell phone. After I took the pics,
he calmed down, and I was able to get him on the hook I carry in the truck
and get him out of the road and back into the grass on the other side of
the road before I drove off. .... Nice late season find !!



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You are right about these little ones can make you have a bad day. I almost picked one up last year behind my house while I was clearing some leaves out of the creek that runs through my property. I thought it was a big night crawler for a minute, but then it went into a coiled position and I had to pull my hand back. Dang things can hurt you!

I had a long black snake crawl across my front steps a couple of months ago as I came walking out the front door about 9:00 AM and just happened to look down and this sucker was long and fast as lighting! I had to check my pulse for a moment as these type things happen so quickly that the only thing that you see is SNAKE! I know that black snakes are good snakes, but when you are not ready for one to come across your path, it might as well be a diamond back rattler!
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You are right about these little ones can make you have a bad day. I almost picked one up last year behind my house while I was clearing some leaves out of the creek that runs through my property. I thought it was a big night crawler for a minute, but then it went into a coiled position and I had to pull my hand back. Dang things can hurt you!

I had a long black snake crawl across my front steps a couple of months ago as I came walking out the front door about 9:00 AM and just happened to look down and this sucker was long and fast as lighting! I had to check my pulse for a moment as these type things happen so quickly that the only thing that you see is SNAKE! I know that black snakes are good snakes, but when you are not ready for one to come across your path, it might as well be a diamond back rattler!
The babies / juveniles are actually more dangerous than the adults. The
venom is exactly the same (potency) regardless of size, but as a snake
get older and hunts, he learns to meter out the amount of venom they
inject into it's prey. This is why some older venomous snakes may not
inject venom at all.... young snakes simply go on instinct. When something
is in range, and they pull the trigger you're usually going to get the full
dose they can inject when they bite. It may actually be a larger amount
than what an adult snake would inject. I went past it a little bit, and
put the truck in reverse and backed up to it. I was about 7-8 feet away
from it when I opened the door and he had already got into "The Position".
I pulled out the cell phone and took one step toward him and he just
struck in my direction !! .. I waited a second to let him calm down, and
raised the phone again, and he struck again. I got the phone just close
enough to get a picture, and far enough to stay out of his reach.... He
calmed down after that. I got the hook and put it down in front of him
to see if he was still pissed off, and he coiled but didn't strike... I got the
hook under him and lifted him up, and seemed to be OK with it. Didn't
get defensive, or try to strike. I moved it over to the grass and set him
down, and he crawled toward it. I picked him up a little bit with the hook
again, and he didn't seem agitated. Got him in the taller grass and he
disappeared into it.
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World is a better place with less water moccasins
Most people believe that, but the fact is they do a tremendous service
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the most dangerous animal to the human race.... Rats / Mice and rodents.
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Most people believe that, but the fact is they do a tremendous service
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Plenty of non venomous snakes can do that for us
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Found a tiny tiny snake last night on our walkway.... Long story short insurance is not paying for the fire damage.
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The babies / juveniles are actually more dangerous than the adults. The
venom is exactly the same (potency) regardless of size, but as a snake
get older and hunts, he learns to meter out the amount of venom they
inject into it's prey. This is why some older venomous snakes may not
inject venom at all.... young snakes simply go on instinct. When something
is in range, and they pull the trigger you're usually going to get the full
dose they can inject when they bite. It may actually be a larger amount
than what an adult snake would inject. I went past it a little bit, and
put the truck in reverse and backed up to it. I was about 7-8 feet away
from it when I opened the door and he had already got into "The Position".
I pulled out the cell phone and took one step toward him and he just
struck in my direction !! .. I waited a second to let him calm down, and
raised the phone again, and he struck again. I got the phone just close
enough to get a picture, and far enough to stay out of his reach.... He
calmed down after that. I got the hook and put it down in front of him
to see if he was still pissed off, and he coiled but didn't strike... I got the
hook under him and lifted him up, and seemed to be OK with it. Didn't
get defensive, or try to strike. I moved it over to the grass and set him
down, and he crawled toward it. I picked him up a little bit with the hook
again, and he didn't seem agitated. Got him in the taller grass and he
disappeared into it.
When I was around 7 years old my dad and I were hunting and he got bitten by a water moccasin. I remember I was really scared as he drove us out of the woods to the hospital but he seemed fine. When we got there the doctor said he got a "dry" bite. He said that it did bite him and did break the skin like normal but didn't inject any venom. That was the first time I had ever heard of anything like that ever happening.
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When I was around 7 years old my dad and I were hunting and he got bitten by a water moccasin. I remember I was really scared as he drove us out of the woods to the hospital but he seemed fine. When we got there the doctor said he got a "dry" bite. He said that it did bite him and did break the skin like normal but didn't inject any venom. That was the first time I had ever heard of anything like that ever happening.
Moccasin Dry bites are rare. Your dad was lucky. I was watching the
Series Swamp Wars on the Animal Planet a few weeks ago, and there was
a policeman (animal control officer) called to an old lady's house because
she saw a snake in her front yard. The cop found a Water Moccasin behind
some rubble, and when he pulled it up with the hook, he got tagged
pretty good. .. It showed him going to the hospital and them marking his
skin every 20 minutes or so and monitoring his swelling and pain level.
It turned out to be a dry bite as well. There have been reported cases
of people getting dry bites from Eastern Diamondbacks, and Timber
Rattlesnakes, but those are very few, and very far between. Thank the
good lord when you get that report from the doc if you ever get bitten
by a Moc or Rattlesnake, because those are very rare.
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You live in the Columbia area, right, Spurticus? I'm just making sure because I remember you talking about living in the Simpsonville area at one time.

According to DNR, there are no venomous WATER snakes in my area, but my in-laws who live on lake Greenwood swear they see moccasins regularly. I'm convinced what they are seeing are northern water snakes, which to some people could be mistaken for a cotton mouth.
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WHere does their venom rank on the "Im screwed" scale?
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You live in the Columbia area, right, Spurticus? I'm just making sure because I remember you talking about living in the Simpsonville area at one time.

According to DNR, there are no venomous WATER snakes in my area, but my in-laws who live on lake Greenwood swear they see moccasins regularly. I'm convinced what they are seeing are northern water snakes, which to some people could be mistaken for a cotton mouth.
I grew up in Simpsonville, but moved to Columbia 10 years ago when I got
laid off from my job up there. ... Technically a Moccasin isn't considered
a water snake either, but you find them around fresh water areas so most
people call them watersnakes. Again (technically) there's no such thing
as a venomous watersnake in the US. but I know what you're saying.

A brown water snake is probably what people are seeing and mistaking
them as water moccasins. They (the brown watersnake) mimics the
patten of water moccasins. When they flare their head out in anger
(common trait of most all snakes) they can look RELLY close to
identical as a water moccasin. ... The distribution line in S.C. for
moccasins runs through the midlands, so anywhere north of around
Lexington County, you don't find cottonmouths. .. North of there the
only venomous snakes you would find are Copperheads, Timber rattlesnakes
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