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Old 10-06-2013, 01:01 AM   #1
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Default Simple thread. Simple question.

Other teams around the country seem to have great special teams.

Why, why, WHY...after 8 seasons under Spurrier, do our special teams still continue to be a liability?
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Old 10-06-2013, 01:18 AM   #2
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Other teams around the country seem to have great special teams.

Why, why, WHY...after 8 seasons under Spurrier, do our special teams still continue to be a liability?
They have not really been...got Ryan Succop and Spencer Landing in the NFL...Ace was explosive last year on punt return...Tyler Hull has been good when he has needed to punt...for the most part the blocking has not need bad...and our Field goal kicker has done Well...

Only issues this year is our return guys are not bring smart. Other than that Special teams have done Well.

Speaking of liability...Ace was a huge assist last season in several games on PR... so not really sure what yea mean.
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Old 10-06-2013, 02:53 AM   #3
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They have not really been...got Ryan Succop and Spencer Landing in the NFL...Ace was explosive last year on punt return...Tyler Hull has been good when he has needed to punt...for the most part the blocking has not need bad...and our Field goal kicker has done Well...

Only issues this year is our return guys are not bring smart. Other than that Special teams have done Well.

Speaking of liability...Ace was a huge assist last season in several games on PR... so not really sure what yea mean.

Well, and we fumble a lot on KR and PR....
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Default Re: Simple thread. Simple question.

As far as kicking and punting, I don't think those are liabilities.
Frye kicked well tonight, and Hull had an nice punt.

Our return game is pathetic though. It is clear we REALLY miss Ace.
And I'm sorry, I like these guys effort and heart, but I think it is clear Vic and Bruce aren't cut out for the return game. Not a knock on them, but being a returner is more than just running fast.

I'd like to see us give Pharoh Cooper a shot at it. He seemed to have the right mentality in high school. Why not give him a shot? Could he really do that much worse than what we have now?
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Old 10-06-2013, 09:38 AM   #5
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Default Re: Simple thread. Simple question.

Put Pharo back there
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Old 10-06-2013, 09:40 AM   #6
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As far as kicking and punting, I don't think those are liabilities.
Frye kicked well tonight, and Hull had an nice punt.

Our return game is pathetic though. It is clear we REALLY miss Ace.
And I'm sorry, I like these guys effort and heart, but I think it is clear Vic and Bruce aren't cut out for the return game. Not a knock on them, but being a returner is more than just running fast.

I'd like to see us give Pharoh Cooper a shot at it. He seemed to have the right mentality in high school. Why not give him a shot? Could he really do that much worse than what we have now?

Have to agree....or let the damn ball bounce to the end zone and start at the 25. That's better than we're doing. ...and our kick coverage allows MOST returns to the 30-40.
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Default Re: Simple thread. Simple question.

Well we had excellent special teams last year...when you lose an impact player like Ace any team would take a step back
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Old 10-06-2013, 09:45 AM   #8
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Default Re: Simple thread. Simple question.

It's not a focal point for Spurrier. Kinda like recruiting which is starting to bite us as well.
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Old 10-06-2013, 09:50 AM   #9
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Default Re: Simple thread. Simple question.

Why do we catch punts that are inside our 10?

Our special teams definitely isn't special.
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Default Re: Simple thread. Simple question.

You need to be more specific in your title .. Our kicking game has been solid. Fry has a big future ahead of him
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You need to be more specific in your title .. Our kicking game has been solid. Fry has a big future ahead of him

This. Fry is up there with Lanning IMO.
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Why do we catch punts that are inside our 10?

Our special teams definitely isn't special.

I missed that one.....I saw him let one bounce at the 5 and then into the end zone and was thinking we fixed that issue. When did it happen?
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Old 10-06-2013, 10:02 AM   #13
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I missed that one.....I saw him let one bounce at the 5 and then into the end zone and was thinking we fixed that issue. When did it happen?
Not talking about last night, but the other games.

And to be fair, I see it a lot in the NFL too. I was always taught you didn't field a punt inside your own 10 unless the other team was right there.
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Default Re: Simple thread. Simple question.

I don't think we "recruit" for a special teams return man like others do..we just try to "plug in" athletes and walk-ons to those positions... Ace was a guy with great hands and greater moves..Ellington is our best option right now on both PR and KOR..He just got caught on the ball much like Davis did last week...We need to be putting the press on a guy like Berrios who could come in and make an immediate impact...Maybe Cooper will help us the rest of the year..
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Old 10-06-2013, 11:06 AM   #15
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As far as kicking and punting, I don't think those are liabilities.
Frye kicked well tonight, and Hull had an nice punt.

Our return game is pathetic though. It is clear we REALLY miss Ace.
And I'm sorry, I like these guys effort and heart, but I think it is clear Vic and Bruce aren't cut out for the return game. Not a knock on them, but being a returner is more than just running fast.

I'd like to see us give Pharoh Cooper a shot at it. He seemed to have the right mentality in high school. Why not give him a shot? Could he really do that much worse than what we have now?
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It's not a focal point for Spurrier. Kinda like recruiting which is starting to bite us as well.
This is the answer. When it comes to return game, it less ab who returns
And more ab blocking, we do not block effectivly.

You can't block a guy when your FOLLOWING him to the punt return man
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Old 10-06-2013, 11:16 AM   #18
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Default Re: Simple thread. Simple question.

Other than last year, our special teams have been absolutely brutal every single year for as long as I can remember. We've had what, like 8 special teams coaches over the last ten years? Each of them supposed to be the latest and greatest and they all stink.
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You need to be more specific in your title .. Our kicking game has been solid. Fry has a big future ahead of him
Right...this year out return game has not been good... both in previous years Special teams is not something we have had to concern ourselves with as a whole... certain parts where lacking yes... but in general they were not a liability.
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Default Re: Simple thread. Simple question.

When it comes to PR, I'm personally almost to the point of not objecting to rushing 11 and not even putting a returner back there. Just hope you get a good enough rush to force a bad punt or even get a block.
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