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Old 10-16-2013, 04:03 PM   #1
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Default Vegas Poll: Not Impressed with Clemson

Clemson is only ranked 14th.

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Default Re: Vegas Poll: Not Impressed with Clemson

Clemson may prove me wrong this weekend, but I really think they will get exposed.

I know Maryland isn't a top 10 team, but FSU beating them 63-0 was pretty impressive. Clemson has had two games already where they have scored less than our lowest total of the season.

My only fear for their games is Jameis Winston because it will be his first true road test. He hasn't played like a freshman so far, but it will be a different story in a game at Clemson at night.

But if Winston just plays a "normal" game, I think FSU wins easily.
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Clemson may prove me wrong this weekend, but I really think they will get exposed.

I know Maryland isn't a top 10 team, but FSU beating them 63-0 was pretty impressive. Clemson has had two games already where they have scored less than our lowest total of the season.

My only fear for their games is Jameis Winston because it will be his first true road test. He hasn't played like a freshman so far, but it will be a different story in a game at Clemson at night.

But if Winston just plays a "normal" game, I think FSU wins easily.
Who exactly has FSU beaten to give you so much confidence in them? That big bad Maryland teams best win was against a 3-3 WV team. Maryland hadnt beaten anybody or played anybody of any substance prior to FSU. Clemson on the other hand has beaten a UGA team, that when healthy, has proven they are a top 5 team with wins over South Carolina and LSU. Dont let the ESPN propaganda media pump you up over a freshmen qb whose toughest road game to date was against the Pitt Panthers in a half empty Steelers stadium.
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Default Re: Vegas Poll: Not Impressed with Clemson

I truly think the two biggest college football wins in history were the following:
  • Clemson over LSU - 2012
  • Clemson over UGA - 2013

I truly feel blessed to have walked the earth during such heady times.
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Default Re: Vegas Poll: Not Impressed with Clemson

interesting look at it, but vegas is in many ways also a popularity contest. setting a line is all about trying to divide your betting population in half, because if half the people are wrong the house wins.

its like a psychology experiment using college football fans as the test subject.
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Default Re: Vegas Poll: Not Impressed with Clemson

I hate when people/players claim disrespect when Vegas odds come out. These numbers arent just random numbers pulled out of the air. They have a way of coming up with these numbers, and they are often correct.
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If you look at it...it really is scary how accurate Vegas is most of the time.
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Who exactly has FSU beaten to give you so much confidence in them? That big bad Maryland teams best win was against a 3-3 WV team. Maryland hadnt beaten anybody or played anybody of any substance prior to FSU. Clemson on the other hand has beaten a UGA team, that when healthy, has proven they are a top 5 team with wins over South Carolina and LSU. Dont let the ESPN propaganda media pump you up over a freshmen qb whose toughest road game to date was against the Pitt Panthers in a half empty Steelers stadium.
Yes, Clemson has beaten UGA in the first game of the year. UGA is great offensively, not great defensively. Clemson won at home by 3 because UGA botched a FG.

However, tell me what impressive win Clemson has had. You haven't been tested at all either. All the defenses you've played are crap. And the best teams you've beaten are all 3-3 with 4 out of 6 games at home. Who have you beaten to declare that you've arrived or done anything?

I've made this argument against Tajh but it applies to the whole team. The best defense you've played all year has been UGA. Tajh's numbers don't come close to other QBs who are far superior to Tajh against better competition. Clemson hasn't been tested yet they've struggled at times.

So before you go slamming FSU, you haven't done much either.
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Who exactly has FSU beaten to give you so much confidence in them? That big bad Maryland teams best win was against a 3-3 WV team. Maryland hadnt beaten anybody or played anybody of any substance prior to FSU. Clemson on the other hand has beaten a UGA team, that when healthy, has proven they are a top 5 team with wins over South Carolina and LSU. Dont let the ESPN propaganda media pump you up over a freshmen qb whose toughest road game to date was against the Pitt Panthers in a half empty Steelers stadium.
JCH, I know you aren't going to agree with this and I don't blame you being a Clemson fan. And I know it is going to sound like I just don't want to give Clemson credit for a big win. That is fine.

But I just don't put a lot of stock into Clemson's win over UGA. I have never thought that big time programs should play each other in the first game of the season. Every other sport in the country has pre-season games. And yes, I would say the same thing if we had beaten a good team in the first game of the season.

Now having said that, I have watched FSU play and I think they are a really good football team. So if Clemson does beat FSU this weekend, then I will give them all of the respect in the world.
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I truly think the two biggest college football wins in history were the following:
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If you look at it...it really is scary how accurate Vegas is most of the time.
They have to be. They make a living doing it, and don't approach it with bias towards certain teams.
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Who exactly has FSU beaten to give you so much confidence in them? That big bad Maryland teams best win was against a 3-3 WV team. Maryland hadnt beaten anybody or played anybody of any substance prior to FSU. Clemson on the other hand has beaten a UGA team, that when healthy, has proven they are a top 5 team with wins over South Carolina and LSU. Dont let the ESPN propaganda media pump you up over a freshmen qb whose toughest road game to date was against the Pitt Panthers in a half empty Steelers stadium.
The transitive property never works in College football. If that was the case USC would of gotten hammered by UGA last year, and FSU should beat y'all since they beat BC pretty handidly where as Clemson needed the lucky INT of the year to escape with a win(great luck and great catch though). Not to mention FSU did this at BC, where as BC was at Clemson when they gave Clemson a tough time.

I think this game comes down to one thing imo, if both teams bring their A game.

Will Winston play good under a tough environment? If he does Clemson loses, if Clemson doesn't bring their A game Clemson loses bad. If he doesn't play well Clemson wins.
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i think fsu is gonna beat clemson but I can't take that poll seriously when they have a 2 loss injury ridden UGA team above an undefeated Clemson team that beat UGA before they were hurt
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Yes, Clemson has beaten UGA in the first game of the year. UGA is great offensively, not great defensively. Clemson won at home by 3 because UGA botched a FG.

However, tell me what impressive win Clemson has had. You haven't been tested at all either. All the defenses you've played are crap. And the best teams you've beaten are all 3-3 with 4 out of 6 games at home. Who have you beaten to declare that you've arrived or done anything?

I've made this argument against Tajh but it applies to the whole team. The best defense you've played all year has been UGA. Tajh's numbers don't come close to other QBs who are far superior to Tajh against better competition. Clemson hasn't been tested yet they've struggled at times.

So before you go slamming FSU, you haven't done much either.
Alright the point is we have beaten UGA who beat a top 10 South Carolina team and a top 10 LSU team. Thats who we've beaten. It doesnt matter what the damn defense does the point is they were in the top 5 when we beat them and they turned around and beat two other top 10 teams to prove their legitimacy. And if you want to get nit picky about a point here are there the last UGA td was in garbage time.
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JCH, I know you aren't going to agree with this and I don't blame you being a Clemson fan. And I know it is going to sound like I just don't want to give Clemson credit for a big win. That is fine.

But I just don't put a lot of stock into Clemson's win over UGA. I have never thought that big time programs should play each other in the first game of the season. Every other sport in the country has pre-season games. And yes, I would say the same thing if we had beaten a good team in the first game of the season.

Now having said that, I have watched FSU play and I think they are a really good football team. So if Clemson does beat FSU this weekend, then I will give them all of the respect in the world.
You cant tell me that every SC fan on here wouldnt be making proclamations of a National Title had SC had to play UGA to open the season and beat them.
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You cant tell me that every SC fan on here wouldnt be making proclamations of a National Title had SC had to play UGA to open the season and beat them.

Doubtful that "Every" fan would, considering how good Bama and Oregon have been. I know I would not.
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You cant tell me that every SC fan on here wouldnt be making proclamations of a National Title had SC had to play UGA to open the season and beat them.
I can only speak for me but I am one fan "on here" and I wouldn't. I already gave you the reasons why.
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Yes, Clemson has beaten UGA in the first game of the year. UGA is great offensively, not great defensively. Clemson won at home by 3 because UGA botched a FG.

However, tell me what impressive win Clemson has had. You haven't been tested at all either. All the defenses you've played are crap. And the best teams you've beaten are all 3-3 with 4 out of 6 games at home. Who have you beaten to declare that you've arrived or done anything?

I've made this argument against Tajh but it applies to the whole team. The best defense you've played all year has been UGA. Tajh's numbers don't come close to other QBs who are far superior to Tajh against better competition. Clemson hasn't been tested yet they've struggled at times.

So before you go slamming FSU, you haven't done much either.
Huh?

You do realize that only 3 teams have beaten teams ranked higher than UGA is CURRENTLY ranked (which is after they have been decimated by injuries). Bama vs # 7 TA&M, Utah vs #13 Stanford, and.....GEORGIA with #6 and #11 LSU/SC.

But that's not an impressive win? Jesus, your best win was against an AAC team who is the 4th best team in the state of Florida. Take off your garnet glasses lest you start looking even worse than you already have.

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