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Old 10-29-2013, 12:06 PM   #1
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Default Please explain this call for me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6M6IclBurQ

The call at 2:07:42 is what I'm wondering about. I know there is constant questioning of the refs, but could someone please explain to me how this call could be made? Is there a rule I don't know about? I'm not the most knowledgeable guy, so I'm hoping there's something I'm missing because if not, this is unbelievable. I never see Clowney pass the line of scrimmage.
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Old 10-29-2013, 12:21 PM   #2
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Default Re: Please explain this call for me

Didn't look at the video, but if this is the Clowney offside....... the Refs contention was that Clowney caused the offensive lineman to jump...... in that case, the penalty is called on the defense.

Not saying I agree.......
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Old 10-29-2013, 12:21 PM   #3
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Default Re: Please explain this call for me

They are saying his movement cause the olineman to jump offsides. I maybe wrong, I am sure someone will take pleasure in correcting it if so, but I believe as long as the Dlineman stays out of the neutral zone they can move, unlike the offensive line. I would think that was a bad call but I am not sure either. Just from my minor understanding. Hopefully someone with a better understanding will step in. Thanks!
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Old 10-29-2013, 12:28 PM   #4
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Default Re: Please explain this call for me

They called Clowney offsides, yet before the snap, Clowney pointed out that an O-lineman moved before the snap (false start) yet Clowney got called for being offsides.

Bottom line, it was one of the MANY BS penalties against the Gamecocks that game. SC should have gotten two W's that game. One for Mizzou and the other for the Refs.
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Default Re: Please explain this call for me

Wha-ha-happen was when Clowney used his 7 foot wingspan to point out the guy who just shat his pants and false started/farted Clowney actually violated the neutral zone. It's true I swear! But in all fairness Clowney should get credit for scaring the crap out of the lineman. Is there a statistic for that?
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Default Re: Please explain this call for me

It is my understanding that the d-lineman has to enter the neutral zone and force the O-lineman to move in order for it to be offsides. Technically a d-lineman can do jumping jacks and cartwheels all he wants, but unless he enters the neutral zone, he is not offsides. If that were not the case, then anytime a defense simulates or fakes a blitz, then all the O-linemen have to do is move and say they were forced to move and that the defense was offsides.
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It is my understanding that the d-lineman has to enter the neutral zone and force the O-lineman to move in order for it to be offsides. Technically a d-lineman can do jumping jacks and cartwheels all he wants, but unless he enters the neutral zone, he is not offsides. If that were not the case, then anytime a defense simulates or fakes a blitz, then all the O-linemen have to do is move and say they were forced to move and that the defense was offsides.
If the dlineman enters the neutral zone and the offensive player moves while he is in at least the neutral zone then it's neutral zone infraction On the defense.

If the offensive player moves too late and the dlineman gets back out of the neutral zone, then they call it false start on the offense.

If the defensive player just blows by everybody it's blown dead and offsides unabated to the QB is called.

If the dlineman just gets an early jump but the olineman still is able to get between him and the QB then the play is allowed to continue in what is called a "free play". Where they at least have the upcoming penalty to fall back on.
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Default Re: Please explain this call for me

I went all "Ramsey" at my TV when that happened.

I can understand missing some calls due to the fast pase of certain plays, but when a D-linemen points to the O-line and four refs miss it......heck, I was waiting on the targeting rule since he pointed at someone.

Being a ref at that level probably isn't easy, but the crew calling the SC - Mizzu game should be demoted to calling recreational youth football games. They were awful!
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Default Re: Please explain this call for me

What I see is Clowney jump a little which makes the olineman jump a little so Clowney points at him. Clowney didn't come over the line and the other guy jumped. Guess the ref just missed it. Glad Clowney let it go without pitching a fit like I was doing.
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Old 10-29-2013, 01:18 PM   #10
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Default Re: Please explain this call for me

Sorry, didn't watch for the call but I did have to watch the last 2 minutes of that game again. Love Spurrier "I believe the good Lord was smiling on the Gamecocks"...
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Old 10-29-2013, 01:19 PM   #11
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What I see is Clowney jump a little which makes the olineman jump a little so Clowney points at him. Clowney didn't come over the line and the other guy jumped. Guess the ref just missed it. Glad Clowney let it go without pitching a fit like I was doing.
Well I'm sure he was used to all of the bad calls all night... both sides had plenty to complain about in that game for officiating.
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Default Re: Please explain this call for me

During the call, the ref said that the defensive player, Clowney, moved in a manner that caused the olineman to move.

I think his awesomeness was lined up in the neutral zone.
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Default Re: Please explain this call for me

if my memory serves me well and you watch the replay:

clowney is in a 3 point stance on this play and he actually makes a move with his right hand which is the one not on the ground and the defender immediately moves then clowney begins to point at him. it is subtle and i didnt see it until i rewound it and watched it again. the dlineman cant make a sudden move to try and cause the oline to move so basically they called clowney for intent here
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The refs were not the best in this game.
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The refs were not the best in this game.
of course not they always try to screw us some how
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Here is the official defintion from the rulebook

. False Start. Each of the following is a false start by Team A if it occurs prior
to the snap after the ball is ready for play and all players are in scrimmage
formation:
1. Any movement by one or more players that simulates the start of a play.
2. The snapper moving to another position.
3. A restricted lineman (Rule 2-27-4) moving his hand(s) or making any
quick movement. [Exception: It is not a false start if a Team A lineman
immediately reacts when threatened by a Team B player in the neutral
zone (Rule 7-1-5-a-2) (A.R. 7-1-3-V)].
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if my memory serves me well and you watch the replay:

clowney is in a 3 point stance on this play and he actually makes a move with his right hand which is the one not on the ground and the defender immediately moves then clowney begins to point at him. it is subtle and i didnt see it until i rewound it and watched it again. the dlineman cant make a sudden move to try and cause the oline to move so basically they called clowney for intent here

I respectfully disagree.

D-lineman move all the time (switch positions, move down the line a few feet, etc) and mostly it happens sudden. LB's and CB's run full speed towards the line prior to the snap either blitzing or faking a blitz. A QB can change their cadence or jerk their head trying to force an offsides.

I know this is a mute point, but the officials were completely wrong on this one and a few others in the game.
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Here is the official defintion from the rulebook

. False Start. Each of the following is a false start by Team A if it occurs prior
to the snap after the ball is ready for play and all players are in scrimmage
formation:
1. Any movement by one or more players that simulates the start of a play.
2. The snapper moving to another position.
3. A restricted lineman (Rule 2-27-4) moving his hand(s) or making any
quick movement. [Exception: It is not a false start if a Team A lineman
immediately reacts when threatened by a Team B player in the neutral
zone (Rule 7-1-5-a-2) (A.R. 7-1-3-V)].

This is one where the "exception" is the rule! Neutral zone infraction. Defensive players are not restricted.
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Just one of many bad calls in that game.
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The "clowney made him move" arguement doesn't work, because Clowney NEVER MOVED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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