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Old 11-19-2013, 12:04 AM   #1
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I've noticed an obvious lack of blocking on punt returns this year, and the returner normally has 5-6 unblocked defenders all over him. Was Ace that good, or was the ST blocking better last year?
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Old 11-19-2013, 11:40 AM   #2
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Default Re: Special Teams (edited)

I think there is a lot of work needed on ST, besides just the punt return game. Ard kicks AT LEAST 1 KO out of bounds per game. We moved the kick off line up 5 yards a few years ago, why can't we find someone that can just kick the ball out of the end zone or deep every time? We give up well past the 25 yard line on kick returns, even when they are coming 4-5 yards out out of the end zone.

So our:
-kick off coverage needs work
-kick return needs work
-punt return needs work

I will say our punt coverage is average, so I wouldn't say that it 'needs work' but maybe just because its about the best we have, and it's 2.5/5 stars.
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Old 11-19-2013, 11:45 AM   #3
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I think there is a lot of work needed on ST, besides just the punt return game. Ard kicks AT LEAST 1 KO out of bounds per game. We moved the kick off line up 5 yards a few years ago, why can't we find someone that can just kick the ball out of the end zone or deep every time? We give up well past the 25 yard line on kick returns, even when they are coming 4-5 yards out out of the end zone.

So our:
-kick off coverage needs work
-kick return needs work
-punt return needs work

I will say our punt coverage is average, so I wouldn't say that it 'needs work' but maybe just because its about the best we have, and it's 2.5/5 stars.
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Old 11-19-2013, 11:49 AM   #4
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I've noticed an obvious lack of blocking on punt returns this year, and the returner normally has 5-6 unblocked defenders all over him. Was Ace that good, or was the ST blocking better last year?
Ace was that good. IMO, these areas have been lacking the entire time Spurrier has been here--and I LOVE Spurrier. Just calling a spade a spade.

The only time I noticed a difference was when Coach Ray Rychleski was here. We did seem to improve in coverage and blocking (although we had a punt blocked during his tenure.)
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Old 11-19-2013, 12:01 PM   #5
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I think there is a lot of work needed on ST, besides just the punt return game. Ard kicks AT LEAST 1 KO out of bounds per game. We moved the kick off line up 5 yards a few years ago, why can't we find someone that can just kick the ball out of the end zone or deep every time? We give up well past the 25 yard line on kick returns, even when they are coming 4-5 yards out out of the end zone.

So our:
-kick off coverage needs work
-kick return needs work
-punt return needs work

I will say our punt coverage is average, so I wouldn't say that it 'needs work' but maybe just because its about the best we have, and it's 2.5/5 stars.
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Old 11-19-2013, 12:03 PM   #6
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Default Re: Special Teams (edited)

Oh, and as triumphant as Hull's last punt down to the 1 yard line was great, his shank out of bounds wasn't.

EF has been a great surprise addition to the team, I don't know why we can't seek out a decent punter and place kicker for kick off's.

Please don't get me wrong, I love all the wins the past few years, I've been a Gamecock fan a long time, and seen plenty of good and bad. I wouldn't trade our recent success for the world, but this is a special teams thread.

Hull is below SEC average, Ard is below SEC average, and our coverage is below. We should be in a position to get some better players.
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Old 11-19-2013, 12:11 PM   #7
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Oh, and as triumphant as Hull's last punt down to the 1 yard line was great, his shank out of bounds wasn't.

EF has been a great surprise addition to the team, I don't know why we can't seek out a decent punter and place kicker for kick off's.

Please don't get me wrong, I love all the wins the past few years, I've been a Gamecock fan a long time, and seen plenty of good and bad. I wouldn't trade our recent success for the world, but this is a special teams thread.

Hull is below SEC average, Ard is below SEC average, and our coverage is below. We should be in a position to get some better players.
I have to (slightly) disagree on Ard. The kid has a cannon. But he just cannot seem to be satisfied unless he dribbles one out of bounds.
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I have to (slightly) disagree on Ard. The kid has a cannon. But he just cannot seem to be satisfied unless he dribbles one out of bounds.
Yea, I didn't mean to imply that he is a total waste of a roster spot. He has a leg and could get the job done. Ard has one job to do: kick off. You'd think at this point he would be able to aim better. I'll forgive the occasional kick that's a high one down to the goal line - as I believe we should be doing this all the time. Since they moved kick off's up 5 yards, we should do the high hang time kick to the goal line, making them bring it out. Unfortunately, our coverage sucks, making this a losing venture. So if we can't cover the players, our best bet is to take away the return altogether, and give up the 25 yard line on touch backs. Ard is capable of doing this, but isn't consistent. We should be able to find someone that is.
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Old 11-19-2013, 12:30 PM   #9
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Good points, Bryarx. I certainly hope Coach Rob doesn't call for a directional kickoff. This has been questioned before. If so, why? Ard can boot it through the EZ.
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I think this is the one thing that is keeping USC from the SEC Championship, let alone the National Title game.
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Old 11-19-2013, 12:57 PM   #11
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Default Re: Special Teams (edited)

Ain't nothing special about our special teams.

Someone needs to tell Cooper when you return a kickoff, you need to get outside.
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Eh, we haven't had a blocked punt or given up a punt return or kickoff return for a td, so its a wash. I'm more concerned about our offense right now.
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Old 11-20-2013, 09:51 PM   #13
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Somebody needs to tell Cooper to run where our guys aren't, since they usually seem to run together without much blocking to open up any lanes.
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Eh, we haven't had a blocked punt or given up a punt return or kickoff return for a td, so its a wash. I'm more concerned about our offense right now.
It is not a wash at all. We lose field position on EVERY punt. We can't return a kick past the 25, we kick one out of bounds every game, our punts are atrocious, and we don't block anyone on punt returns
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Eh, we haven't had a blocked punt or given up a punt return or kickoff return for a td, so its a wash. I'm more concerned about our offense right now.
This is how I feel. While they haven't won us a game, they haven't cost us one either.

At least, not yet.
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This is how I feel. While they haven't won us a game, they haven't cost us one either.

At least, not yet.
I think it contributed heavily in the TN loss. Horrible field position the entire first half due to poor returns on multiple time the Vols flipped the field, missed field goal, and our inability to flip the field due to sorry ass punts.
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I think it contributed heavily in the TN loss. Horrible field position the entire first half due to poor returns on multiple time the Vols flipped the field, missed field goal, and our inability to flip the field due to sorry ass punts.
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I think it contributed heavily in the TN loss. Horrible field position the entire first half due to poor returns on multiple time the Vols flipped the field, missed field goal, and our inability to flip the field due to sorry ass punts.
True, but we also couldn't move the ball late in the game to get out of bad field position. A couple of first downs would have helped field position.
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True, but I said "contributed heavily", not sole cause.
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