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Old 12-06-2013, 12:50 AM   #1
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The more I watch this play the more I think the refs and the replay booth blew the call. It looks like a safety.

Shaq has the ball with two hands for a catch. He brings it in takes 3 steps and fumbles while trying to extend for the goal line. He was never down.
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Old 12-06-2013, 12:54 AM   #2
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Well, lets get 1 thing straight. That's not a safety. It would've been a touchback. In no way would Clemson have been given 2 points.
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Old 12-06-2013, 12:55 AM   #3
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Safety? Touchback maybe, but I think he caught it and he was down on the one or two.
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Old 12-06-2013, 12:55 AM   #4
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To me, it looked like a good catch and his knee was down before the fumble.

Wouldn't matter if it was a touchback though. We still would have taken the PI.
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The more I watch this play the more I think the refs and the replay booth blew the call. It looks like a safety.

Shaq has the ball with two hands for a catch. He brings it in takes 3 steps and fumbles while trying to extend for the goal line. He was never down.
Where to begin with how wrong this post is....?
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Where to begin with how wrong this post is....?
Just state your case. That's what I wanted folks to do.
Sorry I said safety. I meant touchback.

This play drives me nuts. I see why they blew it. Now I think Shaq is down on the one.

The only thing for sure is they made the wrong call. However that was a good penalty Clemson committed. It prevented 7.
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The more I watch this play the more I think the refs and the replay booth blew the call. It looks like a catch.

Shaq has the ball with two hands for a catch. He brings it in takes 3 steps and fumbles while trying to extend for the goal line, but he was down.
Fixed your post!
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Default Re: Shaq's Incomplete Pass

I think the decision was that Shaq didn't make a "touchdown move"...he took steps but was taking steps as he was falling down to the ground. He needed to take steps as he was maintaining balance, while maintaining possession of the ball...
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I think the decision was that Shaq didn't make a "touchdown move"...he took steps but was taking steps as he was falling down to the ground. He needed to take steps as he was maintaining balance, while maintaining possession of the ball...
Is that your opinion as well? It looks like he had it in both hands for a catch. Just look at that part. On the radio a ref on Teddy's show said if he had just gone down it would have been a catch. So another words he did catch it. That is key. He did catch it. How can he catch it and then uncatch it?
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Is that your opinion as well? It looks like he had it in both hands for a catch. Just look at that part. On the radio a ref on Teddy's show said if he had just gone down it would have been a catch. So another words he did catch it. That is key. He did catch it. How can he catch it and then uncatch it?
I think that if he would have just gone down and wouldn't have stretched for it, then he wouldn't have lost the ball. Maybe that was the point he was making. It looks like a catch, but I think that they went with what was called on the field because they felt that it was too close to overturn.
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It was a bad call, he catches the ball and then turns while putting the ball in his left hand taking 3 steps, that is a football move and the ball comes loose as he is hitting the ground though it appears it could have been coming loose before he hits the ground. I think they took the high road as it is real close as to if he fumbles and just called it incomplete since we would have took the PI in that case anyway and to call it down at the 1 or 2yd line seems to be insufficient evidence.
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It is 100% a catch. He catches it, no bobble, takes 3 steps, elbow hits the ground (so he's down) then it comes out.

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We need better replay procedures in college football.
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his right thigh came down and maybe his elbow and entire right leg before that ball came loose. Get an eye exam.
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Old 12-06-2013, 02:21 AM   #15
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I think the decision was that Shaq didn't make a "touchdown move"...he took steps but was taking steps as he was falling down to the ground. He needed to take steps as he was maintaining balance, while maintaining possession of the ball...
You mean "football move." Taking 5 steps with the ball secure is concrete evidence of a "football move." I haven't hear any rule that says that you have have to have good balance while taking steps after you catch the ball for it to be a catch. I think you are making stuff up now.
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from what I understand, he didn't complete the process of catching the ball. What that means, I have no effin clue. That's just how it was explained to me by a neutral football friend
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He was down before he lost the ball so touchback is out of the window.

And it reminded me of a similar play that happened in the Auburn and UGA game. Even though both players make what looks to be football moves, they don't maintain possession of the ball through contact with the ground.

Still think they should count as catches but I don't write the rules
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Taking three steps and turning up field with the ball in two hands. Then reach for the goal line sounds like a football move to me
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It was a catch. He should have been down on the one or so yard line. Worst case scenario was what happened, the PI. Even if it was a reception and they said he fumbled it out of the end zone the ref had already thrown the flag for PI. So we would have taken the PI.
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