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Old 12-09-2013, 04:26 PM   #1
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Default Double Standard: Stanford and South Carolina

Stanford
Lost to a 5-7 Utah team on the road
Lost to a 9-4 Southern Cal team on the road (currently ranked #25)
Beat current #10 Oregon
Beat current #14 Arizona St twice
Beat current #17 UCLA
Beat a few other solid but unranked teams (Notre Dame and Washington)


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Lost to a 5-7 Tennessee team on the road
Lost to an 8-4 UGA team on the road (currently ranked #22)
Beat current #8 Missouri on the road
Beat current #12 Clemson
Beat current #15 Central Florida on the road
Beat a solid but unranked Vanderbilt team

The losses are about even. The big wins are about even, although I'll give the nod to Stanford for beating ASU a second time. As far as other solid teams, Stanford had 1 more solid team on the schedule than Carolina did. Both had a few 6-6 teams on the schedule. I think the resumes are fairly similar, and I'd give Stanford a bit of a nod. However, the treatment in the BCS and the public perception is night and day different. Stanford is 5th in the BCS, we are 9th. I've seen talk saying if there were a 4-team playoff Stanford should get in it. Meanwhile I constantly hear about how South Carolina lost to Tennessee and has no right to complain about BCS, bowl situation, etc. Ummm, isn't Stanford's loss to Utah right there with Carolina's loss to Tennessee? Hell, I guarantee you Tennessee (as terrible as they are) has more talent than Utah. Yet, somehow Stanford gets a pass for losing to Utah and we get treated like we lost to Hammond High School. And yes, I consider the loss to Tennessee an all-timer of a failure that will haunt this program for years to come. But I'd like to see Stanford get the same treatment for the Utah loss.
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Stanford won the Pac 12. We did not win the SEC.
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Stanford won the Pac 12. We did not win the SEC.
I hate these kinds of responses....as if no one on this board is aware of that fact. Almost anytime someone makes a thread of this nature, there are others who have these kinds of responses that make discussion seem like a fool's errand.

As for this thread, the poster didn't contend that they didn't win a conference. The contention is that our records are virtually indistinguishable....PERIOD. So, why can't voters, pollsters, etc., with access to all of the pertinent information, make comparable assessments? It's because of bias! Not because of a conference championship. SC, while gaining interest, is still the ugly stepsister when other potential Cinderellas are out there.
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Stanford won the Pac 12. We did not win the SEC.
I'm sorry but I don't buy this argument. Yes Stanford has a nice trophy they can put in the trophy case. I'd love to have that. But we don't play in the same conference. Stanford and Carolina had the same regular season records. Should Stanford be given 1000X more credit because the chips fell in their favor and allowed them to go to the conference championship game, and because the chips didn't fall in our favor? You're basically saying Stanford is better than Carolina because 1) Oregon lost to Arizona and 2) Missouri didn't lose to Ole Miss and A&M. Because those two factors are the reasons why Stanford went to their conference championship game and Carolina didn't.
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The winner of the Pac-12 gets an automatic Rose invite unless they go to the mnc. They won theirs; we did not.
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The winner of the Pac-12 gets an automatic Rose invite unless they go to the mnc. They won theirs; we did not.
This has nothing to do with making a BCS bowl, it has to do with the public perception of the team and the BCS ranking.
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Is 11-1 Big 12 champ Baylor better than 11-1 no champ Alabama?
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What's the point of this thread?
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OP, you made great points. Ignore the peanut gallery.
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Default Re: Double Standard: Stanford and South Carolina

Strength of Schedule and Champion.

I believe Stanford's SOS was #4 TOUGHEST. Ours was #30. (According to Sagarin). Also, they won their conference albeit an easier conference, but they get to put "Conference Champion" next to their name. They were the best the Pac-12 had to offer.

In the SEC, we were the 3rd (or 4th) best...depending on whom you ask.

Blame the BCS.
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What's the point of this thread?
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Disagree. To me, this sounds like a bitch fest against perceived "wrongs" done to the University of South Carolina football team. This is some "Old Carolina" mentality seeping back in.

The "man" isn't keeping us down. There was no harm done to our team.

We are going to the very best bowl we possibly could go to without winning our league.

The only poll that matters is the last one, and we are a month away from that being released.

You've heard one maybe two pundits express love for Stanford, and you are blowing it out of proportion.
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Strength of Schedule and Champion.

I believe Stanford's SOS was #4 TOUGHEST. Ours was #30. (According to Sagarin). Also, they won their conference albeit an easier conference, but they get to put "Conference Champion" next to their name. They were the best the Pac-12 had to offer.

In the SEC, we were the 3rd (or 4th) best...depending on whom you ask.

Blame the BCS.
Sagarin's rankings are a bit dodgy in my opinion. Looking at the rankings there is obviously something in the formula that heavily favors the Pac 12. He's got some absurd results: Auburn at #7, 8-4 Washington at #12, 7-5 Arizona at #22, North Dakota State at #23, Eastern Illinois at #26, 6-6 Washington St at #31, 5-7 Utah at #32... And yes, I realize those FBS teams are very good FBS teams, but seriously...
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I hate these kinds of responses....as if no one on this board is aware of that fact. Almost anytime someone makes a thread of this nature, there are others who have these kinds of responses that make discussion seem like a fool's errand.

As for this thread, the poster didn't contend that they didn't win a conference. The contention is that our records are virtually indistinguishable....PERIOD. So, why can't voters, pollsters, etc., with access to all of the pertinent information, make comparable assessments? It's because of bias! Not because of a conference championship. SC, while gaining interest, is still the ugly stepsister when other potential Cinderellas are out there.
There is 1 thing that makes Stanford's record distinguishable from ours this year. That thing is a Pac 12 championship.
All conferences are not equal and never will be.
Even if there was a playoff system in place right now, Stanford would get the nod over us head to head because of that Pac 12 championship. Fair or not, that is the way that it is.
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Disagree. To me, this sounds like a bitch fest against perceived "wrongs" done to the University of South Carolina football team. This is some "Old Carolina" mentality seeping back in.

The "man" isn't keeping us down. There was no harm done to our team.

We are going to the very best bowl we possibly could go to without winning our league.

The only poll that matters is the last one, and we are a month away from that being released.

You've heard one maybe two pundits express love for Stanford, and you are blowing it out of proportion.
I'm discussing the perception of South Carolina's season, and a viewpoint that I've witnessed a lot more than 2 people on TV express. But from now on I'll run any posts by you to make sure they're appropriate for this site. God knows we don't need irrelevant posts clogging up the internet, can't have people discussing irrelevant college football issues on a college football message board. This college football discussion board is simply too important for posts you don't deem relevant or important enough.
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Default Re: Double Standard: Stanford and South Carolina

So are you complaining that Stanford is ranked higher than us or that they are going to a BCS bowl? If you are upset about the BCS bowl, that doesn't really have anything to do with their schedule or ranked opponents. Rose bowl always has the winner of the PAC-12 (unless in mnc). Stanford could have gone 7-6 and still be in it if they won their conference.

If you're complaining about rankings, I think beating ASU again is the only thing that justifies putting them over us.
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Disagree. To me, this sounds like a bitch fest against perceived "wrongs" done to the University of South Carolina football team. This is some "Old Carolina" mentality seeping back in.

The "man" isn't keeping us down. There was no harm done to our team.

We are going to the very best bowl we possibly could go to without winning our league.

The only poll that matters is the last one, and we are a month away from that being released.

You've heard one maybe two pundits express love for Stanford, and you are blowing it out of proportion.
Well nothing left to see here. Move along.
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The winner of the Pac-12 gets an automatic Rose invite unless they go to the mnc. They won theirs; we did not.

Exactly. Stanford won their conference who has a member (Oregon) that came to Tennessee and b!tch slapped the Volunteers all over the field.....something we did not do. Congrats to Stanford.
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