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Old 01-05-2014, 01:19 PM   #21
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Default Re: Would Clemson ever fire Swinney over USC losses if they keep going?

The real question, is Clemson at their peak with their staff? I say no, you have Venables, who has been there for 2 years. He needs 2 more to get a D that will be his. So that could go up some the next few years. The O is where they are, and against solid D's it struggles. I think what Clemson needs is a second wrinkle in the offense. You need the high flinging one when it's on fire, and another when the flinging one isn't working. Clemson's mistake in the USC game was not running more, would they of won? don't know, but I think it would of been closer. As long as Clemson's O keeps up this mentality of passing every 3 seconds, USC will keep winning.

Just like WTF was with that pass against Ohio St with 1:22 left to play? You milk the fing clock and run the ball. It was exciting, but how would Clemson fans feel if the Ohio St pass was completed, Ohio St scored, and won the game?

I think as long as he keeps getting these 10+ win seasons and the occasional conference championship, he should be safe.

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Old 01-05-2014, 01:57 PM   #22
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This next years game and season may be the most interesting one in a while for both schools with talent that is leaving.

What has Spurrier done to keep his job? Beat Clemson?

We haven't been able to get the job done vs SC but we have won a conference championship and a BCS Bowl. SC has beat Clemson but hasn't won a CC or BCS Bowl.

As long as both schools are winning 10+ games a year, nothing will change job wise.
I can't believe you just asked that. Do you know our history?
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Default Re: Would Clemson ever fire Swinney over USC losses if they keep going?

There is an issue to consider here: a program's success is not necessarily reflective of coaching skill. Seriously: this isn't a knock, but Dabo isn't even in the same conversation as Spurrier. He's a much, MUCH better recruiter, and is affable as hell - but when it comes to play calling or X's and O's, it's not even fair to compare them.

Clemson's recent success is a product of insanely good recruiting, and very strong offensive coordinator play. That defense has underachieved like crazy, despite all the talent. Clemson is a good team, but they are made to look excellent by virtue of a weak schedule.

South Carolina's success has come from strong recruiting and extremely strong overall coaching. No one who is watching the program can believe otherwise that spurrier isn't directly responsible for the on-the-field product.


Edit: I'd say Dabo is roughly the same quality and type of coach as Derrick Dooley was. A great recruiter, and probably an elite position coach... Not sure i'd let him run his own program.
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My guess is Dabo has two more chances at beating USC. Each year we win makes their anguish grow. Their inability to say that they beat us is making them near explosion point....and they are tiring of packing up their Clempson garb and flags after each loss and hiding inside for weeks.

After that, Clempson will look for a coach who can do the things Dabo did and beat Carolina.
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Yes there are a lot of fans/ alumni that want a win over SC more than backing in a BCS or even 10 wins over lesser teams.
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I can't believe you just asked that. Do you know our history?
I hear ya but the point is, neither coach has put the whole package together. But as long as they are both winning a lot of games and being relevant in the top 25 both are safe.
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Even of clemson fired Dabo he would just come out and say "clemson didn't fire me, I fired myself!"
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I hear ya but the point is, neither coach has put the whole package together. But as long as they are both winning a lot of games and being relevant in the top 25 both are safe.
Ohio State fired Cooper, the coach before Tressel, because he was winning the big 10 but went like 2-7 against Michigan. If we beat Clemson another. 2 years and they lose to FSU and win all their other games, I could still see Dabo being fired.
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Or being retained as the recruiter/ cheerleader in chief. An the quote "what has Spur done." I am also a Gator fan and he had a lot more to work with there. SC has always had some talent and an occasional good team. but was severely inconsistent. Spur has made y'all better and more consistent. I also think the success of the baseball team helped in the confidence area. Dabo and Clemson have some talent but also some consistency issues. If Clemson would have played as consistent as SC in their bowl game, OH ST loses by double digits.
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Travis Haney from ESPN (former USC beat writer) has said he believes this war of words between Spurrier and Dabo is a calculated move by the two to bring exposure to the teams and our rivalry.
I was just about to post the same thing. It's all a big joke.
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. The win meant so much more to Clemson's program than USC's. USC won another New Years bowl over a BIg10 team. 3rd in a row. Great win, but, not program defining.

The Orange Bowl, for Clemson? The history of that bowl, that team, and their performance there 2 years ago.....no reason Swinney should've even had USC on his mind at that moment. But he did.

And in a funny way.....its great for USC.
On point!! The Orange W was indeed historic for CU. historic major bowl, BCS, Atlantic coast location.. hec even its name scream adaboys for CU. The Cap 1 was nice but not historic for SC thus SS essencially placing the CU W even, if not above??

Everything DS said is true but irrelevent. Our run is record setting for SC! CU has been there, done that. it is DS, who has not. I didn't buy the "in Dabo's head" comments for anything more than fan posturing untill those comments at THAT time.
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Louisville fans are all about hiring Chad Morris. Clemson fans better start getting worried.
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11 wins three years running, bringing in top talent... oh, and beating Clemsum FIVE years in a row.

Boast all you want about winning a BCS bowl, but damnit you know you didn't deserve to be there over a team like SC, but it is the stupid 2 team per conference limit that got you there.

Spurrier is recruting at a high level, winning games, and a lot of his players are going to the NFL.
The rule is dumb. Mizzo probably should have been in over both CU and Bama. As the playoff system establishes itself and eventually grows in # it will likely include more than Conf champs. If CFB wants to maintain the " every week counts" status the current system has birthed then it must some how reward those who achieve in said regular season and do so by rewarding significant advantages such as byes to Conf champs over div winners and home field to div winners over the rest ect.
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Our rivalry is defiantly the most underrated in a College Football.
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I wouldn't call total B.S. on this conspiracy theory
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This next years game and season may be the most interesting one in a while for both schools with talent that is leaving.

What has Spurrier done to keep his job? Beat Clemson?

We haven't been able to get the job done vs SC but we have won a conference championship and a BCS Bowl. SC has beat Clemson but hasn't won a CC or BCS Bowl.

As long as both schools are winning 10+ games a year, nothing will change job wise.

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Whats your/the other sides' take on how long the "fear the other hand" campaign continues? We pretty much reload next year while you guys will have to rebuild a bit.

So will 7 be the number? 8?
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This next years game and season may be the most interesting one in a while for both schools with talent that is leaving.

What has Spurrier done to keep his job? Beat Clemson?

We haven't been able to get the job done vs SC but we have won a conference championship and a BCS Bowl. SC has beat Clemson but hasn't won a CC or BCS Bowl.

As long as both schools are winning 10+ games a year, nothing will change job wise.
Spurrier doesn't have to worry about getting fired from Carolina, he's a legend and a real coach. Dabo is a glorified recruiter/cheerleader. If he doesn't have Chad Morris, he's gone two years ago.
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Dabo will continue to recruit at a high level and win plenty of games in the ACC. When Morris leaves they will win 1-2 less games a year putting them at 8-9 wins a year, losing to South Carolina of course, and ultimately result in him losing his job. Once the Playoff is in effect and they can't hide behind they smoke screen of the BCS rules and the ACC, it's only a matter of time. It wont matter any way. Clemson can't keep up with South Carolina [and the SEC] at this point. Too much money, resources are going into this machine at this point. Momentum.
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