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Old 01-05-2014, 12:10 AM   #1
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Connor Shaw ~ 6" 1'

Ryan Fitzpatrick ~ 6" 2'

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I do not think Connor Shaw's height will be an issue for NFL teams. If anything it will be concerns about injuries (he is a tough SOB who stayed healthy this year) and whether he can throw the football on a rope.





He throws an accurate ball most of the time and throws very well while moving around in or out of the pocket. He can chuck the ball down field but there is not much video of Shaw firing a bullet into a receiver's mitts from 10-20 yards.


A great pro day where he is throwing balls through brick walls in front of scouts will absolutely determine whether Shaw is a 4th rounder or goes UDFA


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I think if Connor Shaw can work on his footwork and gain about 10-20lbs, he will be able to generate more velocity and zip those balls in there. Shaw moves his feet and keep them moving to be able to take off at a moment's notice (which he is excellent at doing) but QBs like Alex Smith and Peyton Manning can "Pedal in the Pocket" because they are tall QBs with freakishly long arms - so they can still get that velocity even with their feet moving back and forth. Smaller QBs absolutely need to plant, balance and rotate to get the "pop" on their throws. I love watching Aaron Rodger because he gets a his feet wide and gets his hips underneath his shoulders before he fires the ball into the receivers' hands:











Their core are like tank turrets and their legs are stable tracks that provide leverage and help them really torque their upper bodies.

Connor's throwing motion can become more compact also...he wastes a lot of energy with his wind up


I know many people may consider Tony Romo a joke of a QB but if Connor improves his throws, I think of Shaw as Romo without the boneheaded mistakes. I could even see Jerry Jones inviting Shaw in to Camp as a possible back up (yes, I am a Cowboys fan).




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Developing Arm Strength: The key to developing arm strength is not necessarily on building muscle in your throwing arm, but to correct the way you throw a football. How many times have you seen a QB throw his arm out in practice and next thing you know he’s developed tendinitis or what we call “Tennis Elbow”. Before you start hammering out “Curls for the girls” in the weight room, see a QB coach and correct on how you are throwing a football.


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On the final play of the first half in last Sunday’s game against Green Bay, Manning launched a throw from the Packers’ 43-yard line that arced high and soared toward the end zone, where Hakeem Nicks jumped and caught it for an unlikely touchdown.

That throw — which traveled some 50 yards in the air — went about 15 yards farther than Manning’s average deep ball, according to Football Outsiders. During the regular season, Manning also completed five touchdown passes of more than 25 yards, tying him for fourth most in the N.F.L.

On the play to Nicks, Manning had time to back up, set and send the ball long, but most plays are executed far quicker. That is why the root of Manning’s arm strength lies in almost every other part of his body, Gilbride said; by honing proper footwork and building his legs and core, Manning is able to throw the deep pass as well as put greater velocity on shorter routes with a smaller window to the receiver’s hands.

After practice Thursday, Manning was in the weight room working with a bungee cord wrapped around a pole. While his teammates hefted barbells around him, Manning spent time pulling the cord back and forth — an exercise that works the wrist and forearm.

“It’s funny, there were several times in my career where I decided to put on some pounds in the off-season,” Trent Green, a former N.F.L. quarterback and current analyst for the Westwood One radio network, said in a telephone interview. “I’d spend the whole off-season getting bigger and then I’d go out in the spring and the ball would go nowhere. What I’d forgotten to keep up was my flexibility and my stretching.”

Green said New Orleans quarterback Drew Brees — an impressive passer despite being 6 feet tall and weighing just over 200 pounds — is another example, along with Manning and Green Bay’s Aaron Rodgers, of a quarterback who has a big arm despite not being especially big.

Brees focuses on his core and his joints, Green said, working diligently to ensure his shoulder, elbow and wrist remain supple.

“That’s where you get that whip,” Green said. “The snap is what lets you get velocity and distance.”

While the obvious manifestation of a quarterback’s arm strength is in how well he throws downfield passes, the more critical — if less appreciated — application comes on plays requiring a throw across the field or across the quarterback’s body.

It is rare for a quarterback to need to throw the ball 50 yards in the air and the deepest routes typically only require a pass of 30 to 40 yards. Anything more than that is generally too far for a receiver to run under and catch.
But throws outside the hash marks can appear on the statistics sheet to be short yet require tremendous arm strength. Those are the throws, Gannon said, that often come with less-than-perfect foot position or a hurried release, forcing the quarterback to rely more on his upper body and the whip that Green extolled.

According to Pro Football Focus, Manning led the league in attempts, completions and completion percentage on passes of 10 to 19 yards that were aimed outside the numbers.
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I listened to the Solid Verbal podcast this morning, and Ty and Dan discussed the plethora of “popgun armed quarterbacks” currently plaguing college football. Relatedly, a reader asked about why quarterbacks can’t seem to improve their arm strength once they reach a certain age. I can think of really only one example of a guy whose arm now seems significantly stronger than it did earlier in his career as a college player and rookie, and that’s Tom Brady. And, well, Tom Brady is Tom Brady. But it does seem like this is generally true, at least at the higher levels once a quarterback is physically mature: There are almost no examples of guys whose arms went from “popgun” to bazooka through discipline and training, not matter how tall they are or how many weights they lift. This is not entirely surprising, given the unique nature of a throwing motion, but even golfers manage to add some power to their drives. (Maybe someone with more of a baseball background can tell me if any pitchers have added MPH to their fastballs after hitting college or the majors.
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He will make somebody very happy after a few grooming years.
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Still scratch my head at why he was so under-rated nationally while he was here.. Post garcia QB is one storyline, but to play under spurrier in the SEC for a team that's never done a whole lot, never lose at home, winningest QB in history, + his record & stats. Everything. It just doesn't make sense. All he did was win. Jay Cutler came from Vanderbilt (another team that's virtually done nothing) and got way more respect. All Connor did was help lead his team to 3 straight 11 win seasons. Never saw Cutler come close to that. Connor Shaw's mobility makes him more effective in today's game as well. I never considered Shaw an NFL QB but you can't argue with facts.
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Height isn't really the concern. The biggest concern is whether Shaw can be a 35-40 attempt quarterback. He averaged 18-21 attempts per season at Carolina, which is way below the league minimum of the NFL.

If a team is down 31-14 going into the 4th quarter, can Shaw be the QB that throws them back into the game? The concern after that is how accurate is Shaw when he attempts that many passes. He doesn't have a large sample size to really show. He only attempted 30 or more passes 3 times in his career
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I've said it in other forums and I'll say it here, connor shaw's humilty will go a long way in the nfl. He's gonna take some time to polish his skills to be nfl ready, but he's all football and will not bring distactions to a team that is trying to groom him (ala tebow) which means they can stick him in the role of a backup or even on the practice squad without him drawing unwanted attention.

Marginal players or players with upside but in need of polishing don't stick around in the nfl if they make noise. Just ask tebow or the punter from the vikings. glad to have a gamecock who has a chance to be something big due to his skills and humble personality.
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The biggest concern is whether Shaw can be a 35-40 attempt quarterback.
The biggest concern is can he lead his team to and win a Super Bowl? The NFL is not looking for back-ups....there are plenty to be had...including one that is a school teacher.

The question is can he show out well enough that some team sees long term potential in him and will give him a year or two to elevate his game. I think he's certainly smart enough to do it and we all know some QBs emerged as solid QBs after a few years of development.

The plus is he's going to be working at this full time and will have every opportunity to do well if he can elevate his game. But the speed of the game is insane and those soft bubble screens he throws are pick-6 nightmares in the NFL.
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Shaw has a lot of talents and knows how to bring them together in the right way. As mentioned above, his height isn't an issue as much as some claim it to be. The guy is gritty and all balls when it comes to the game. He gets the normal nicks and dings for someone that throws himself around like he does fighting for the first down. If he's ever slow to get up he's ALWAYS been ready for the next game because the guy heals like Superman, Durability obviously not an issue. Throwing mechanics, 1 int all year and can hit guys in stride, ex. Byrd. Game study- managed a home record never seen before and was our leader for the three consecutive 11 win seasons. Leadership- so many examples of this so what I've listed above should suffice. I'm happy he got an invite to the combine to showcase his skills, the man is going to rip it up at he next level and I can't wait to hear him say on MNF "Connor Shaw: The University of South Carolina. Go Gamecocks!"
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I think his height will be knocked down an inch or so when measured. He is accurate. The knock is the arm strength in regards to velocity. He can throw the deep ball with nice touch but the out route is the question especially the deep out. He has more heart and determination than just about anyone. Previous poster was right about sample size as well. He doesn't have the arm or Romo or Jay Cutler or the gunslinger personality of either. They believe in their arms to much and make dumb decisions many times. Connor will not make that dumb decision. I think he will be a backup. I don't think he will ever beat anyone out but if someone gets hurt he might not give the spot back up. If that makes any sense. Hope for the best for him and hopefully he goes beast mode at the combine
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Connor has been a winner, I wouldn't bet against him.
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I think his height will be knocked down an inch or so when measured. He is accurate. The knock is the arm strength in regards to velocity. He can throw the deep ball with nice touch but the out route is the question especially the deep out. He has more heart and determination than just about anyone. Previous poster was right about sample size as well. He doesn't have the arm or Romo or Jay Cutler or the gunslinger personality of either. They believe in their arms to much and make dumb decisions many times. Connor will not make that dumb decision. I think he will be a backup. I don't think he will ever beat anyone out but if someone gets hurt he might not give the spot back up. If that makes any sense. Hope for the best for him and hopefully he goes beast mode at the combine
Connor has to go through a windup to get velocity on his passes. That won't work in the NFL. They will change his mechanics. I think he will be a backup.
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CC is right. I don't think he'll measure at 6'-1, prob closer to 5'-11".
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Height isn't really the concern. The biggest concern is whether Shaw can be a 35-40 attempt quarterback. He averaged 18-21 attempts per season at Carolina, which is way below the league minimum of the NFL.

If a team is down 31-14 going into the 4th quarter, can Shaw be the QB that throws them back into the game? The concern after that is how accurate is Shaw when he attempts that many passes. He doesn't have a large sample size to really show. He only attempted 30 or more passes 3 times in his career
Down 17-3 @ Mizzou and he threw 29 passes in the 4th quarter with 3 TD's. I think he can handle 30+ a game.
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Down 17-3 @ Mizzou and he threw 29 passes in the 4th quarter with 3 TD's. I think he can handle 30+ a game.
Psshhh. People act like Connor doesn't spin it 100 times a day practicing. Doubting throw velocity is one thing but muscular endurance is entirely different.
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Down 17-3 @ Mizzou and he threw 29 passes in the 4th quarter with 3 TD's. I think he can handle 30+ a game.
That's 1 game. Tebow went 31-35, 482 yards, 3 TD's before in college.

It's all about what the norm is for a player. Connor doesn't typically air it out a lot, it's not his style. If teams are drafting a QB with the expectation that he can be a starter down the line, he's going to have to be able to air it out a lot.
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But who's offense in the NFL does he fit in best with is the question?
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That's 1 game. Tebow went 31-35, 482 yards, 3 TD's before in college.

It's all about what the norm is for a player. Connor doesn't typically air it out a lot, it's not his style. If teams are drafting a QB with the expectation that he can be a starter down the line, he's going to have to be able to air it out a lot.

He's thrown over 25 times quite a few times. I think the average per game was either under estimated on a guess, or affected greatly by games he got hurt early in.
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Down 17-3 @ Mizzou and he threw 29 passes in the 4th quarter with 3 TD's.

...after sitting on the bench for the entire game up to that point so he was completely fresh.
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Great post GH. I agree, people look at Connor and they keep comparing him to old school NFL QBs. (strictly passers) People like Peyton Manning or Montana. The truth is the NFL has changed, and when something is working (dual threat QBs) they stick too it. I think Shaw has a very bright future in the NFL.
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All you need to know is that if Drew Stanton can make an NFL roster, Connor Shaw can.

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Drew Stanton was also a 2nd round pick...hahahaha
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Default Re: Connor Shaw - NFL Prospect

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Originally Posted by Carolina4Life View Post
But who's offense in the NFL does he fit in best with is the question?

Dallas Cowboys

Seattle Seahawks

Philadelphia Eagles

Kansas City Chiefs (no really about the coaches' offensive habits)

Buffalo Bills
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