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Old 01-29-2014, 10:17 PM   #21
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Could I put him in a WR slot on my Fantasy Football slot?

No.

Because he's a TE.
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Old 01-29-2014, 10:21 PM   #22
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Could I put him in a WR slot on my Fantasy Football slot?

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Because he's a TE.
I get your point, and can see both sides of the argument - but he's not playing for fantasy money.
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The position only matters for the "Franchise Player" tag. And what Drew Brees says will not make any difference in this negotiation.
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Old 01-29-2014, 10:46 PM   #24
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its one of those gray area arguments, if hes lining up in a slot receiver position or out wide the majority of his snaps he probably should win his case to be designated a wr for franchise tag purposes. in this situation i dont think brees was trying to screw over graham.

i believe jared cook was in a similar position before he signed with st louis, i cant remember the details but he may have been in position to get designated a wr which may have led the titans to let him test free agency.
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Just goes to show the flaw in the system where your pay is defined by your "position" as opposed to your "value". Instead of fixing the flaw, it will be done with incentives instead of base pay.

It's really basic business principles.

Yep.

It could also be fixed in a contract if written correctly. But it is easier to fix it your way and makes much more sense.
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The position only matters for the "Franchise Player" tag. And what Drew Brees says will not make any difference in this negotiation.
This^. The title is sensationalized to stir up a discussion. Drew Brees wasn't saying that he thinks Graham deserves TE money and not WR money, he was giving his honest opinion that he thinks graham is more of a TE than a WR. That's it. Nobody is going to say "oh well Drew Brees thinks you're a TE so you'll be compensated accordingly." This is a non-story
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I'm sorry but this should be in smack talk
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Old 01-30-2014, 01:32 AM   #28
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Old 01-30-2014, 09:03 AM   #29
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From the article, I guess this is what makes it contentious:
How many times did the WR line up at TE? I bet it's close to zero. Also being flexed out doesn't mean your not a TE. The article is ignoring that by having Gramah in, D treat him as a TE from a personnel packaging, because 1/3 of the time he was in he was attached to the OL in a possible run formation.
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Brees' comments are a nonstory much lke all of the nonstorys that come out about Cam - however, that doesn't stop the media or fans from piling on Cam
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Old 01-30-2014, 10:49 AM   #31
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I don't see any issue here. He was drafted as a TE and had played his entire career as a TE. He will get a big payday when all is said and done. Brees is the leader of the team and he knows that the Saints need as much cap space as they can get. Now if Drew doesn't restructure this year then I might change my mind a bit, but he has already indicated he is willing to restructure for the good of the team.
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Old 01-30-2014, 11:08 AM   #32
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Brees' comments are a nonstory much lke all of the nonstorys that come out about Cam - however, that doesn't stop the media or fans from piling on Cam
I guess I must be new to this.

I don't ever hear any stories about cam.
Then again I guess people here just don't care enough about him.
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I guess I must be new to this.

I don't ever hear any stories about cam.
Then again I guess people here just don't care enough about him.
I guess you don't live in the Carolina's since he's the most discussed and most famous athlete in the 2 states. It looks like you live in NYC, and I assume that you are familiar with Peter King and MMQB. King takes every single chance he can to slight Cam and make negative comments, all b/c Cam snubbed him for an interview 3 years ago.

As for Cocky Talk - You've obviously never looked at any of the NFC Smack threads or Panther's threads.
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I guess you don't live in the Carolina's since he's the most discussed and most famous athlete in the 2 states. It looks like you live in NYC, and I assume that you are familiar with Peter King and MMQB. King takes every single chance he can to slight Cam and make negative comments, all b/c Cam snubbed him for an interview 3 years ago.

As for Cocky Talk - You've obviously never looked at any of the NFC Smack threads or Panther's threads.
Wasn't talking about CT.

Was talking about just normal media up here.(moved up here not too long ago)
Outside of Peter King no one really talks about him or the Panthers.
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I went to the Vandy game in 2012 and the Saints were playing the Titans. Brees stayed at my hotel (Loews). I saw him chat up a ton of USC fans, take pictures. I had my dog with me and Brees petted him and spoke with my wife and I. In short, he was a really cool dude and I will always be a fan. Also, he's had a really effed up life, so I feel bad for him in tha respect. I could care less about Jimmy Graham.
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He's a TE... If he wanted to be considered a receiver than he wouldn't be 270 lbs. He would drop to 240 or so. He looks pretty lean for 270 so that would probably be pretty hard for him.
That's like saying Bree's is a slot receiver because he is too short to be a QB well if he wants to get QB money he better grow to 6'4.

My opininion on the matter is if he wants to get WR money give it to him, if he's a valuable asset to the team, even if he is labeled as a TE. If the rules don't allow it label him as a WR.
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I went to the Vandy game in 2012 and the Saints were playing the Titans. Brees stayed at my hotel (Loews). I saw him chat up a ton of USC fans, take pictures. I had my dog with me and Brees petted him and spoke with my wife and I. In short, he was a really cool dude and I will always be a fan. Also, he's had a really effed up life, so I feel bad for him in tha respect. I could care less about Jimmy Graham.
I don't know what the OP has against Bree's. He hated on him when he wanted to get the 21 mil dollar contract. The guy gets 5-15 years in the NFL let him get his, and you worry about you. If the Saints don't want to pay it they wouldn't, just like if the Saints don't want to pay Graham they don't have to, but Graham has the option to go to another team. It's all about what are teams willing to do.
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It comes to down to this. Graham wants to be TE when it suits him and not a TE when it doesn't. Sorry, dude but it just doesn't work that way.
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It comes to down to this. Graham wants to be TE when it suits him and not a TE when it doesn't. Sorry, dude but it just doesn't work that way.
Another poster said this, The TE is more than what it used to be. Heck Pats won some SB with some helacious TE's able to go out, and get the catches. The pay needs to be increased for the position almost to a WR if that is the case. This guy is being lined up as a Slot receiver, he wants to get extra because of that. I think he should still be called TE, and get a WR pay though. This is all about wanting a raise, and I don't have a problem with it.
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