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Old 06-16-2015, 09:51 AM   #1
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The SEC is the only conference that's against it. Personally, I think it's a good thing. Discuss.
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long overdue IMHO...Should be the month of July and February to sign...Official visits for rising seniors should be year round...
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I'm not sure if I like this rule and the reason is the schools that are going to benefit the most are the schools that are appealing during the Spring/Summer (ie Clemson) whereas USC really pushes its Gameday experience.

This is really going to shrink down recruiting boards in a hurry too. Which means bigger schools are going to be going after the plan B recruits that we usually target earlier.

Also its been well documented that we encourage kids to take other visits .. This probably won't work too well with the risk that a kid could sign an LOI with another school and doesn't allow our coaches to do damage control.

It'll also put a strain on kids to jump in the boat at bigger schools because they'll use the "we are going to fill up" card.

If this passes, Spurrier and crew are going to need to adjust quickly. We are really going to need to create a recruiting department or something like Alabama and Clemson have.
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August and February makes sense to me. This way the recruits that want to sign before their senior season can sign and not be distracted during the season.
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I'm not sure if I like this rule and the reason is the schools that are going to benefit the most are the schools that are appealing during the Spring/Summer (ie Clemson) whereas USC really pushes its Gameday experience.
The early signing period would be in December, not summer.
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I guess that is what I get for skimming through it. However, if they are going to do this in December it makes no sense with the OV period usually in January.
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I guess that is what I get for skimming through it. However, if they are going to do this in December it makes no sense with the OV period usually in January.
It makes sense for kids like B.A.W. who knew from the beginning where he was going to end up. If kids are still on the fence in December then they can wait and take a second round of visits in Jan.

What this will do, I think, is intensify the pressure on the kids that don't sign in Dec.

Who I also think this is good for is the 3* player that gets their offer bumped/trumped by a 5* who comes in at the last min. (A coach down in Tuscaloosa is famous for doing that.) It's a great way for those type of kids to be assured they aren't going to have to hunt for a spot on NSD when all of the sudden their offer in no longer committable because of unexpected "higher rated" kids coming on board.
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December is not early enough...Early date needs to be in july...
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I could see it if it were in August, but shaving 6 -8 weeks off? The other thing is when a coach like Franklin is at Vandy, he says he's going to be there, then bang, he's gone.
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December is not early enough...Early date needs to be in july...
That wouldn't be beneficial to the student athlete just the school. What happens if a coach leaves early or a recruiting promise is broken after the LOI is signed (EG "you are the only player at your position we will recruit in this class if you sign") how do the kids protect themselves from that when they have to sign a binding document. There need to be numerous opt out clauses in these early LOIs if they are going to be good for both the school and the student athlete.
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That wouldn't be beneficial to the student athlete just the school. What happens if a coach leaves early or a recruiting promise is broken after the LOI is signed (EG "you are the only player at your position we will recruit in this class if you sign") how do the kids protect themselves from that when they have to sign a binding document. There need to be numerous opt out clauses in these early LOIs if they are going to be good for both the school and the student athlete.
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First off, you shouldn't commit to a COACH. You should commit to a SCHOOL. Coaches can leave at any time. But I get where this sentiment comes from, because the coaches are the guys the recruits and SA's are going to interact with. But it's also a case of Caveat emptor, where the recruit needs to do their due diligence and be ready for unexpected changes. One would likely if you know if your coach was endangered of getting fired. If they got a new job offer at a new school, that's a little less predictable.

Just think of our situation last year when we lost several kids after the end of the season. Would an early signing period have helped us, hurt us, or not made any difference?
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First off, you shouldn't commit to a COACH. You should commit to a SCHOOL. Coaches can leave at any time. But I get where this sentiment comes from, because the coaches are the guys the recruits and SA's are going to interact with. But it's also a case of Caveat emptor, where the recruit needs to do their due diligence and be ready for unexpected changes. One would likely if you know if your coach was endangered of getting fired. If they got a new job offer at a new school, that's a little less predictable.

Just think of our situation last year when we lost several kids after the end of the season. Would an early signing period have helped us, hurt us, or not made any difference?
An early signing period would have helped us last year, especially if there was one before the season started. That isn't a question because I think we would have kept Fields and a couple more on board after the Spurrier comments.

As for committing to a school over a coach that is a great theory and sentiment but if that is true no one should ever criticize Spurrier and Co on their recruiting efforts because it is the school that should attract the players not the coaches. People who say that can't have it both ways where the coaches need to be responsible for going all out to sell these kids on coming here but in reality they should recruit to the school and the coach shouldn't be an overwhelming factor in the decision. The fact of the matter is you're always going to have those issues where coaches change jobs or retire after NSD but it will be a massive problem with an early signing period. I'm sure that 20 would be in triple digits easily if the early signing period was in early December. I just see this as a positive for some schools and a negative for the vast majority of student athletes.
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What would happen if the NCAA got rid of "signing periods" all together? Why not allow a kid to sign as soon as he makes his commitment? You still could only sign 25 in a recruiting class and it would do away with the commit, de-commit, commit, de-commit saga that happens way too often. Is it because recruiting services have too much money invested in the recruiting process??
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An early signing period would have helped us last year, especially if there was one before the season started. That isn't a question because I think we would have kept Fields and a couple more on board after the Spurrier comments.

As for committing to a school over a coach that is a great theory and sentiment but if that is true no one should ever criticize Spurrier and Co on their recruiting efforts because it is the school that should attract the players not the coaches. People who say that can't have it both ways where the coaches need to be responsible for going all out to sell these kids on coming here but in reality they should recruit to the school and the coach shouldn't be an overwhelming factor in the decision. The fact of the matter is you're always going to have those issues where coaches change jobs or retire after NSD but it will be a massive problem with an early signing period. I'm sure that 20 would be in triple digits easily if the early signing period was in early December. I just see this as a positive for some schools and a negative for the vast majority of student athletes.
I'll give you a great example of why it's a terrible idea to look at it as committing to a school over coach. Johnny McCrary was a three star DT-QB out of GA, who committed early to a James Franklin led Vandy squad in 2012. Just as a little bit of background, James Franklin is generally more of a spread guy, who saw McCrary as a perfect fit for his offense.

Franklin bolts Vandy for Penn State after a great season by Vandy standards and then Vandy goes out and makes one of the worst coaching hires in SEC history in Derek Mason. So Derek Mason (from Stanford) decides to scrap the spread offense that Franklin used and switch to a complicated multiple scheme pro-style/west coast offense, despite having a terrible offensive line (relative to the SEC competition they'd be facing). Now McCrary is absolutely screwed. He's forced to learn a system that he has zero chance of being successful in and probably has absolutely no desire to run. He either has to waste a year of eligibility to transfer or languish with a sub par coach and a sub par team, running a system that is a terrible fit for his talents. Vandy is a great school but Derek Mason is a terrible head coach (though a solid defensive co-ordinator) and that is the risk you run when you commit early and then end up playing for a stubborn coach.
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What would happen if the NCAA got rid of "signing periods" all together? Why not allow a kid to sign as soon as he makes his commitment? You still could only sign 25 in a recruiting class and it would do away with the commit, de-commit, commit, de-commit saga that happens way too often. Is it because recruiting services have too much money invested in the recruiting process??
It would make it to easy for a school to pay for a signature.... the pressure on the kids if every day were a signing day would be way to intense for a 17-19 year old kid to have to face IMO, the entire recruiting schedule and visit schedule would be really risky and would just mean JR's would commit until they could sign, it would just move the recruiting process up a year....
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I'll give you a great example of why it's a terrible idea to look at it as committing to a school over coach. Johnny McCrary was a three star DT-QB out of GA, who committed early to a James Franklin led Vandy squad in 2012. Just as a little bit of background, James Franklin is generally more of a spread guy, who saw McCrary as a perfect fit for his offense.

Franklin bolts Vandy for Penn State after a great season by Vandy standards and then Vandy goes out and makes one of the worst coaching hires in SEC history in Derek Mason. So Derek Mason (from Stanford) decides to scrap the spread offense that Franklin used and switch to a complicated multiple scheme pro-style/west coast offense, despite having a terrible offensive line (relative to the SEC competition they'd be facing). Now McCrary is absolutely screwed. He's forced to learn a system that he has zero chance of being successful in and probably has absolutely no desire to run. He either has to waste a year of eligibility to transfer or languish with a sub par coach and a sub par team, running a system that is a terrible fit for his talents. Vandy is a great school but Derek Mason is a terrible head coach (though a solid defensive co-ordinator) and that is the risk you run when you commit early and then end up playing for a stubborn coach.
Yet, he'll have a degree from one of the most prestigious universities in the south (#16 nationwide) when he's done. Please explain to me how he's screwed again?
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Yet, he'll have a degree from one of the most prestigious universities in the south (#16 nationwide) when he's done. Please explain to me how he's screwed again?
By that logic Vandy should be the best team in the SEC hands down because there is no debating academically they are the best school in the SEC and it is by a decent margin. So yeah he got screwed because he came to play football in a system that was tailored to him and now he is stuck in a Stanford power rushing attack pro style which isn't his skill set. Kids don't commit to schools, they commit to coaches. If you agree with it or not isn't the point, the fact is that is the way it is for the majority of student athletes in football and basketball because they are about to devote a massive part of their life to the sport on top of school and doing that with a staff you trust is a huge factor.
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I guess that is what I get for skimming through it. However, if they are going to do this in December it makes no sense with the OV period usually in January.
isn't most of December now a dead period.....
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Yet, he'll have a degree from one of the most prestigious universities in the south (#16 nationwide) when he's done. Please explain to me how he's screwed again?
Neglecting to even get into the fact that he'll never get to have a fulfilling career as a QB, he'll probably graduate with some BS degree in sociology or lesbian studies which will maybe qualify him for a barista job at Starbucks, Vanderbilt or no Vanderbilt. If we are being honest, the academics are, at best, a secondary concern for 99.9999% of these kids. They want to be in a system that will optimize their talents, first and foremost. If Spurrier retires and we hired a pro-style coach I'd bet a sizable amount of money that McIlwain decommits and goes elsewhere. From his perspective, it's the right move too. As much as McIlwain wants to be a Gamecock and as much as he seems to love the school, it'd be ludicrous to expect him to weight that heavier than the offensive system that he'd be playing in for the next four years.
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