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Old 06-23-2014, 02:36 PM   #21
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Before Saban got to Alabama they had 1 National Championship in the last 28 yrs. Since he's been there they've won 3 in 7 years. Being HC at Alabama doesn't guarantee anything, Saban has a track history second to none. He's the highest paid coach in America for a reason.

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Before Saban got to Alabama they had 1 National Championship in the last 29 yrs. Since he's been there they've won 3 in 6 years. Being HC at Alabama doesn't guarantee anything, Saban has a track history second to none. He's the highest paid coach in America for a reason.

Bama's program was already built. Ours wasn't. The reason Saban gets #1 classes every year is part Saban, part resources and history that are already in place.
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How many ships did he win at MSU? He was good there, but not great. What would Saban do at USC, Miss St., etc? The only time we've ever seen Saban do anything with a non power was at MSU. He's a great coach, but it is almost like comparing apples to oranges. Saban should play for the NC every single season at Bama. If he doesn't, then he has failed.

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I think you're reaching.
Agreed. Looking for something where there is nothing.
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I dont really feel like it was a zing as much as it was spurrier just speaking his mind

People read way too much into things like this. In no way shape or form was Spurrier trying to disparage Saban
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I love how people downplay his success.
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How many ships did he win at MSU? He was good there, but not great. What would Saban do at USC, Miss St., etc? The only time we've ever seen Saban do anything with a non power was at MSU. He's a great coach, but it is almost like comparing apples to oranges. Saban should play for the NC every single season at Bama. If he doesn't, then he has failed.

Saban came in after Shula at Alabama. Shula was around .500 for his career if memory serves me correctly. Before that they had Dubose & Dennis Fran. Dubose was a complete failure & D Fran had one good year. (I think)

Saban came in after DiNardo at LSU & he was plain bad.

Nobody would ever debate that LSU & Bama have a richer tradition than USC, hell, so does clemson & Army.

But the landscape is littered with coaches who went to traditional powers & fell flat on their face. I'll say it again, being Head Football Coach at Alabama guarantees you nothing, history doesn't lie.

The most comical part of all this is coach X wins because he gets the best players. Really? A huge part of a Head Coach's job is to recruit & sign the best players. It's also to hire Assistant Coaches who can both coach & Recruit.

I'm not following the argument here at all.
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Not a dig here at all, I agree with everything he's said.
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It's a hell of a lot easier to sell Bama than it is USC. They have a lot of history we don't have.
True but we're making history now and it's all good. I do wish Coach would turn his recruiting jets on for just one year and see what happens.

Link to the story on Coach's comments: http://www.gogamecocks.com/2014/06/2.../99/113/&ihp=1
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Oh, yeah. Since Saban's been at Alabama the SEC Champ has come out of his division every year but one. His first year UF won it & The NC. So he's compiled his record in what has been the toughest division in the toughest conference in America since he's been there.

For the 10 yrs prior, the East & West were equally tough.
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Oh, yeah. Since Saban's been at Alabama the SEC Champ has come out of his division every year but one. His first year UF won it & The NC. So he's compiled his record in what has been the toughest division in the toughest conference in America since he's been there.

For the 10 yrs prior, the East & West were equally tough.
Not my take on things. There was a pretty lengthy stretch in those 10 years where the East was clearly the powerhouse.
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Not my take on things. There was a pretty lengthy stretch in those 10 years where the East was clearly the powerhouse.
In the 10 years prior to Saban arriving at Alabama.

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True but we're making history now and it's all good. I do wish Coach would turn his recruiting jets on for just one year and see what happens.

Link to the story on Coach's comments: http://www.gogamecocks.com/2014/06/2.../99/113/&ihp=1

Saban definitely recruits better and tries harder at it than Spurrier, I'm not debating that. All I was saying is, if we brought in the talent that Saban did every year we'd have a couple championships as well. We just aren't capable of doing that right now. Sitting at #5-6 in the recruiting rankings is awfully good though.
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No way in hell you can say that. Maybe, maybe not. Saban gets the #1 class every year in large part because he works his ass off to do so. Never lose sight of that.


Bull Butter!!! Bama sells itself... He is only a decent coach but a hell of a recruiter. He knows what players he needs and being hes at Bama he pretty much gets them. If he was a great coach you don't lose to Utah or Oklahoma in your BCS bowl game because you as a coach cant get them up to play. Both games Bama came in flat uninspired and got torched. A great coach doesn't allow that to happen.
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He meant since the 1992 Championship game. East dominated in the 90's only allowing the West to win 3 times in the first 10 years, since the Championship game started. Since the 2002 onward the West has been winning more, and now have tied the East with 11 wins with a 5 game winning streak. This year will determine if the West will take the lead in SECCG after only having the lead the first year when BAMA won it..
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Bull Butter!!! Bama sells itself... He is only a decent coach but a hell of a recruiter. He knows what players he needs and being hes at Bama he pretty much gets them. If he was a great coach you don't lose to Utah or Oklahoma in your BCS bowl game because you as a coach cant get them up to play. Both games Bama came in flat uninspired and got torched. A great coach doesn't allow that to happen.
You must be out of your mind. Every coach that's ever done anything has lost games he's not suppose to lose. Spurrier lost to a bad Tenn team last year, went to KY & saw us lose to a bad KY team, saw us lose to freakin UCONN in a bowl. Is Spurrier not a great coach?

Oh Yeah, lost to Vandy twice, once on our home turf. Happens to every coach.
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I wonder how late Saban stayed up the night before we beat their tails in 2010.
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Bull Butter!!! Bama sells itself... He is only a decent coach but a hell of a recruiter. He knows what players he needs and being hes at Bama he pretty much gets them. If he was a great coach you don't lose to Utah or Oklahoma in your BCS bowl game because you as a coach cant get them up to play. Both games Bama came in flat uninspired and got torched. A great coach doesn't allow that to happen.
So Nick Saban isn't a great coach?
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