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Old 08-20-2016, 04:12 PM   #1
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So the 3-9 Gamecocks travel to Nashville to play 4-8 Vanderbilt. Both teams are looking for dramatic improvements but in different ways. Last year, Vandy's defense proved to be very effective but their offense was anemic at best. The gamecocks were subpar on both sides of the ball. Without terrible QB play last year, the Commodore's could have beaten the gamecocks. They also had a few games that were only lost by a play or two.

They did lose the a good bit of the O line but have 7 returning defense guys. Plus they have a very good running back. The QB is still questionalble. He is a true Sophomore and started 5 games last year.

Our defense should be much improved over last year but our offense is TBD. The only reason we won last year is because they gave up 4 INTs. So will we be able to move the ball and control their offense this year.
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Old 08-20-2016, 04:21 PM   #2
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The fact that they lost a good portion of their OL with the offense they try to run probably means that they will be even worse. I also think the myth of Derek Mason gets overblown. Sure, the guy is solid defensive mind but he's not the deity that the media makes him out to be. If we lose this game, I will have very low expectations for the rest of the season because contrary to what the media will tell you, Vandy is still a very bad team.
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Old 08-20-2016, 04:26 PM   #3
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Sloppy game because we always play bad when it's Vandy and when it's the opener, but we get the win. 24-17 type game
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Sloppy game because we always play bad when it's Vandy and when it's the opener, but we get the win. 24-17 type game
We always played Vandy bad when Spurrier was our coach. Don't be surprised if we come out kicking ass.
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Sloppy game because we always play bad when it's Vandy and when it's the opener, but we get the win. 24-17 type game
That's a true statement for the last 10 years. However this year has a chance to be different due to totally new program top to bottom. I predict a much better gamecock team on sept 1
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We always played Vandy bad when Spurrier was our coach. Don't be surprised if we come out kicking ass.
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Vandy has a very good defense. We could conceivably be trotting out a starting true freshman QB, starting RS freshman RB, and somewhere 2-3 true freshmen WR in the two deep. Everyone who thinks this is going to be an easy game is trying to talk themselves into how much talent we have. We have some talent but it is either young or underdeveloped for the last few years. This is going to be a low scoring battle probably.
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Old 08-20-2016, 06:56 PM   #10
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Vandy has a very good defense. We could conceivably be trotting out a starting true freshman QB, starting RS freshman RB, and somewhere 2-3 true freshmen WR in the two deep. Everyone who thinks this is going to be an easy game is trying to talk themselves into how much talent we have. We have some talent but it is either young or underdeveloped for the last few years. This is going to be a low scoring battle probably.
Their QB picked up in the second half of last year. He played cautiously and made very few mistakes. That being said, he they only averaged about 22 points a game. Now they lose 3 linemen. Two that started in 6 games and one that started in 12 games. Plus they lost their leading receiver. So that really leaves Webb, their all SEC RB. IF Boom accomplishes to shut down the run, we should be stuffing their O. The question is, can we stuff more than them?

On D, they have an all SEC LB that was the core of the team last year. We definitely need to find a way to isolate him. But there is still 6 other defensive starters returning last from last year. So our O better be prepared to block better. Our WR blocking was a weakness last year. Are we better this year?
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Old 08-20-2016, 06:57 PM   #11
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Old 08-20-2016, 07:08 PM   #12
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That's a true statement for the last 10 years. However this year has a chance to be different due to totally new program top to bottom. I predict a much better gamecock team on sept 1
48-34 with vandy getting a meaningless TD with 47 seconds left in the game in 2014, 21-7, 21-3, 31-13 are all winning scores from the last 10 years...
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Old 08-20-2016, 08:24 PM   #13
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I predict a 32-16 win for the Gamecocks
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Old 08-20-2016, 08:56 PM   #14
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Vandy ended up 28th in total defense last year. That is very impressive, especially considering how bad their offense was. Usually, a offensive that sputters ends up putting the defense on the field all night. By the 4th qtr, they are tired and usually give up points than a defense paired with a capable offense. I didn't buy into Vandy's defense early in the season, but they proved me wrong.
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Vandy ended up 28th in total defense last year. That is very impressive, especially considering how bad their offense was. Usually, a offensive that sputters ends up putting the defense on the field all night. By the 4th qtr, they are tired and usually give up points than a defense paired with a capable offense. I didn't buy into Vandy's defense early in the season, but they proved me wrong.
Commies have a very good group of linebackers.
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With all the guys they have coming back on defense, this game looks to be low scoring. We need to absolutely take care of the ball. This game looks like one where BM should be harder for them to contain. Perry, not so much. Nothing wears down a defense more than chasing a QB.
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With all the guys they have coming back on defense, this game looks to be low scoring. We need to absolutely take care of the ball. This game looks like one where BM should be harder for them to contain. Perry, not so much. Nothing wears down a defense more than chasing a QB.
Orth's style plays right into their hands..the fact that they gave up 53 to Tennessee and that Dobbs had nearly 100 yards on the ground is no coincidence. That is their chink in the armour. Every other offense they faced was pretty conventional or pass oriented and they shut it down for the most part.
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So the 3-9 Gamecocks travel to Nashville to play 4-8 Vanderbilt. Both teams are looking for dramatic improvements but in different ways. Last year, Vandy's defense proved to be very effective but their offense was anemic at best. The gamecocks were subpar on both sides of the ball. Without terrible QB play last year, the Commodore's could have beaten the gamecocks. They also had a few games that were only lost by a play or two.

They did lose the a good bit of the O line but have 7 returning defense guys. Plus they have a very good running back. The QB is still questionalble. He is a true Sophomore and started 5 games last year.

Our defense should be much improved over last year but our offense is TBD. The only reason we won last year is because they gave up 4 INTs. So will we be able to move the ball and control their offense this year.
They've also lost a few more veteran LOS guys since fall camp: RS-Jr. NT Jay woods suffered a knee injury that is expected to sideline him for at least Vandy's opener against us. Woods has 10 total starts for VU as a DL. He split time at Nose last season with former 4* Nifae Lealao who is a more imposing physical NT and will now start in his stead: the talent should be there but it's a drop in experience.

Also OL Andrew Jelks, who missed all of last season with a knee injury but was considered as their best-returning OL and was a pre-season all-conference pick, reportedly injured his knee again and is gone for the season. He was a 5th-yr. senior.

That said, as others have posted above, Vandy still has a strong defense that returns most of it's top producers, and should be expected to be strong again. It's unfortunate that we don't open our season with 1-2 cupcakes to get things started like so many other CFB programs typically do, and instead we start off with two away games against SEC competition. We'll just have to make the best of it.

Vanderbilt also held their final scrimmage of their fall camp today - a 55-play scrimmage where most of the offensive drives started around mid-field:

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They've also lost a few more veteran LOS guys since fall camp: RS-Jr. NT Jay woods suffered a knee injury that is expected to sideline him for at least Vandy's opener against us. Woods has 10 total starts for VU as a DL. He split time at Nose last season with former 4* Nifae Lealao who is a more imposing physical NT and will now start in his stead: the talent should be there but it's a drop in experience.

Also OL Andrew Jelks, who missed all of last season with a knee injury but was considered as their best-returning OL and was a pre-season all-conference pick, reportedly injured his knee again and is gone for the season. He was a 5th-yr. senior.

That said, as others have posted above, Vandy still has a strong defense that returns most of it's top producers, and should be expected to be strong again. It's unfortunate that we don't open our season with 1-2 cupcakes to get things started like so many other CFB programs typically do, and instead we start off with two away games against SEC competition. We'll just have to make the best of it.

Vanderbilt also held their final scrimmage of their fall camp today - a 55-play scrimmage where most of the offensive drives started around mid-field:

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Looks like their offense is ass based on that..actually worse than ass since they are probably putting lipstick on a pig.
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