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Old 08-19-2014, 01:34 PM   #21
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Post Re: Vote for Browns starting QB - Shaw

Shaw did look sharp... against 4th string. Left Johnny in then he would of lit it up. Same for Hoyer. Shaw can be a viable back-up in the league, but seriously considering him to start against Pittsburg? No.
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Shaw did look sharp... against 4th string. Left Johnny in then he would of lit it up. Same for Hoyer. Shaw can be a viable back-up in the league, but seriously considering him to start against Pittsburg? No.
JFF was in there against the same players in the 4th that Shaw was. The only thing jff is lighting up is drugs.
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Old 08-19-2014, 01:39 PM   #23
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I know that Shaw will never be a top tier QB, he'll likely never be a starter but I do think he can be a great backup and mentor to show a kid how to do things the right way. He looked in control out there during the 2 minute drill. I'd like to see him get some work with the starters. I know it likely will not be pretty but I'd at least like to see what he's got against the best competition.
Exactly. Even if Shaw ends up being a journeyman QB in the NFL- so long as he's making a good living for him and his family, and loving what he's doing, then that's good by me. The guy has done so much for the University of South Carolina, I just hope he's successful in whatever way he chooses in life. Quality guy, great ambassador of the university.
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Default Re: Vote for Browns starting QB - Shaw

Johnny went against 4th string? At the end of the game? He started against 1st, went to second in the 2nd & 3rd quarters. Then all the others came in ie: Connor Shaw. Look he is talented... just not NFL starting talent
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I know that Shaw will never be a top tier QB, he'll likely never be a starter but I do think he can be a great backup and mentor to show a kid how to do things the right way. He looked in control out there during the 2 minute drill. I'd like to see him get some work with the starters. I know it likely will not be pretty but I'd at least like to see what he's got against the best competition.
Interesting you praise the idea of mentoring, but if Shaw had a great mentor himself don't you think he could become starter-worthy?

By the way I think he is a starter already, especially if a loser like Ryan Tannehill can be a starter elsewhere
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Shaw did look sharp... against 4th string. Left Johnny in then he would of lit it up. Same for Hoyer. Shaw can be a viable back-up in the league, but seriously considering him to start against Pittsburg? No.
You're right, but how do you explain Hoyer's and Manziel's passes just looking like garbage? Even when not pressured. That has nothing at all to do with first string defenders.
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Shaw did look sharp... against 4th string. Left Johnny in then he would of lit it up. Same for Hoyer. Shaw can be a viable back-up in the league, but seriously considering him to start against Pittsburg? No.
Here's something you should do: check out the 10-15 worst NFL starters and try and convince me that Shaw is inferior to them.

By the way, Hoyer falls in that category
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Connor Shaw 63.11% (3,235 votes)

Brian Hoyer 21.58% (1,106 votes)

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Old 08-19-2014, 01:59 PM   #29
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Shaw did look sharp... against 4th string. Left Johnny in then he would of lit it up. Same for Hoyer. Shaw can be a viable back-up in the league, but seriously considering him to start against Pittsburg? No.
Don't fool yourself. Johnny played until 10 mins left in the 4th. He WAS playing against the skins 3rd-4th stringers too. He did nothing. Manziel's "TD pass" was a 1 yard screen where the RB broke out of coverage.
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Shaw is wrecking this league. I mean vote. ALmost up to 65% and still going.
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Johnny went against 4th string? At the end of the game? He started against 1st, went to second in the 2nd & 3rd quarters. Then all the others came in ie: Connor Shaw. Look he is talented... just not NFL starting talent
Your head is way too far up your ass. What specific talent drop off do you see between 4th string NFL and the best NCAA teams? Do you think an SEC team could compete against a team of fourth string NFL players? They would get destroyed. Shaw impressed, period. Against NFL-caliber talent. And your boy didn't. He didn't even look ready to backup, let alone start. Take the poster off the wall and face reality
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Voted. Shaw - 64.89% now. Manziel in 3rd 11.28%
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Don't fool yourself. Johnny played until 10 mins left in the 4th. He WAS playing against the skins 3rd-4th stringers too. He did nothing. Manziel's "TD pass" was a 1 yard screen where the RB broke out of coverage.
And was helped with several penalties to get within 8 yards of the goal line , manziel didn't do much on his own to move them down the field to score.
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Conner Shaw is smarter than both of them and less likely to panic under pressure. He just may be the best option the Browns have. Manziel is not a team player and will panic under pressure, not to mention he has already shown he is not as dedicated as Conner. What the Browns need is QB that will not hurt them and will be steady and let their defense keep them in the game.
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lol the fact that this poll is happening is proof that Cleveland is such a disaster of a team
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Conner Shaw is smarter than both of them and less likely to panic under pressure. He just may be the best option the Browns have. Manziel is not a team player and will panic under pressure, not to mention he has already shown he is not as dedicated as Conner. What the Browns need is QB that will not hurt them and will be steady and let their defense keep them in the game.
Manziel has shown in college and the pros that he is a hot head. Your qb has to be in control and composed in games he has problems doing that.
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