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Old 11-02-2014, 09:19 AM   #1
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Default The play that determined the game

In my mind anyway: UT's TD on 4th down from the 20-something yard line. At that point, our D had somehow actually gotten stops on 4 straight possessions. Then we had them in a 4th and long. Dobbs scrambled, threw a pass and Brison had an opportunity to bring the receiver down well short of the first down. However, instead of tackling him he simply threw a shoulder at his ankles. The receiver broke through that and scampered in for the first of 3 TD's in a row by them.

Game on the line. 4th down. Desperate for a win. And you don't even use your arms to try to tackle the guy?
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Brison and his gimp arm need to be on the bench. It looked like he tried to tackle Jalen Hurd with his back... Who tf tries to tackle like that. If you're that hurt, don't play
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In my mind anyway: UT's TD on 4th down from the 20-something yard line. At that point, our D had somehow actually gotten stops on 4 straight possessions. Then we had them in a 4th and long. Dobbs scrambled, threw a pass and Brison had an opportunity to bring the receiver down well short of the first down. However, instead of tackling him he simply threw a shoulder at his ankles. The receiver broke through that and scampered in for the first of 3 TD's in a row by them.

Game on the line. 4th down. Desperate for a win. And you don't even use your arms to try to tackle the guy?
Hell...I thought you were going to say "the opening kick off"...it would have been as appropriate...
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Default Re: The play that determined the game

Listen, this defense has not and is not going to stop anyone when the game is on the line...truth...agreed?

So, it's on Spurrier to call some smarter offensive plays and keep the defensive unit on the sidelines.

I've got 2 plays (y'all can choose which is more insanely dumb) that sum up what I believe cost us the game:

1. After Brison's INT at our own 3...were up 35-21 at this point with lil over 10 minutes to play. We run Mike Davis twice on 1st and 2nd down for 7 yards to the 11. On a 3rd and 3, the ball winds up in Dylan's hands for a 1 yard gain...punt time. Yep, DT...NOT Mike Davis, NOT Brandon Wilds, NOT Pharoh Cooper in the Wildcat. WTH was Spurrier thinking??

2. Up 42-35 with 1:38 to play, we had just recovered the onside kick. Wisely, we run Mike Davis twice on 1st and 2nd down for 6 yards. Tenn calls 2nd timeout. So, on 3rd and 4, Spurrier decides to pass...DT sacked for 8 yard loss. So with 4 yards to go...we don't try and run for it on 3rd or even 4th down?? Yep, DT gets the ball with the game on the line...NOT Mike Davis, NOT Brandon Wilds, NOT Pharoh Cooper in the Wildcat. Again, I can't explain how SOS makes this just dumb decision.

The same coach that went for it 8 times on 4th down last week at Auburn...5 of those were rushing attempts on 4th down...doesn't think our running game can get 4 yards on 2 plays...with the game on line...with a defense that couldn't stop almost every team we've played ALL season?/?

I'll cheer for our players the rest of this season...they're out there on the field giving it their all (I truly believe this even if their not as talented as we had hoped for)...

...but I'm done with Spurrier for his consistent late game situation playcalling blunders, I'm done with the defensive coaches for not teaching/improving our tackling fundamentals, and not knowing how to scheme against the zone read or get guys to execute the scheme.

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Not playing David Williams in the 4th quarter. He has to be well rested.
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Brison and his gimp arm need to be on the bench. It looked like he tried to tackle Jalen Hurd with his back... Who tf tries to tackle like that. If you're that hurt, don't play
This play stood out to me also . I couldn't believe
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Listen, this defense has not and is not going to stop anyone when the game is on the line...truth...agreed?

So, it's on Spurrier to call some smarter offensive plays and keep the defensive unit on the sidelines.

I've got 2 plays (y'all can choose which is more insanely dumb) that sum up what I believe cost us the game:

1. After Brison's INT at our own 3...were up 35-21 at this point with lil over 10 minutes to play. We run Mike Davis twice on 1st and 2nd down for 7 yards to the 11. On a 3rd and 3, the ball winds up in Dylan's hands for a 1 yard gain...punt time. Yep, DT...NOT Mike Davis, NOT Brandon Wilds, NOT Pharoh Cooper in the Wildcat. WTH was Spurrier thinking??

2. Up 42-35 with 1:38 to play, we had just recovered the onside kick. Wisely, we run Mike Davis twice on 1st and 2nd down for 6 yards. Tenn calls 2nd timeout. So, on 3rd and 4, Spurrier decides to pass...DT sacked for 8 yard loss. So with 4 yards to go...we don't try and run for it on 3rd or even 4th down?? Yep, DT gets the ball with the game on the line...NOT Mike Davis, NOT Brandon Wilds, NOT Pharoh Cooper in the Wildcat. Again, I can't explain how SOS makes this just dumb decision.

The same coach that went for it 8 times on 4th down last week at Auburn...5 of those were rushing attempts on 4th down...doesn't think our running game can get 4 yards on 2 plays...with the game on line...with a defense that couldn't stop almost every team we've played ALL season?/?

I'll cheer for our players the rest of this season...they're out there on the field giving it their all (I truly believe this even if their not as talented as we had hoped for)...

...but I'm done with Spurrier for his consistent late game situation playcalling blunders, I'm done with the defensive coaches for not teaching/improving our tackling fundamentals, and not knowing how to scheme against the zone read or get guys to execute the scheme.

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this is why i dont understand some people on here wanting to give the offense a pass. Look at the Auburn game we got the ball back with an onside kick recovery and did nothing with it. The offense got an extra possession and squandered it. The offense almost lost the UGA game but the D got a stop after Dylan threw a pick.

Offense and Defense have lost these games.
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Absolutely!! Well said.
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this is why i dont understand some people on here wanting to give the offense a pass. Look at the Auburn game we got the ball back with an onside kick recovery and did nothing with it. The offense got an extra possession and squandered it. The offense almost lost the UGA game but the D got a stop after Dylan threw a pick.

Offense and Defense have lost these games.
Good post, what you stated has been my thought process as well on this board. There is enough blame to go around but some want to give the offense and it's coaches passes.

I refuse to do so because we have abandoned the run that's working for us and go to the pass for no reason in key situations.
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Listen, this defense has not and is not going to stop anyone when the game is on the line...truth...agreed?

So, it's on Spurrier to call some smarter offensive plays and keep the defensive unit on the sidelines.

I've got 2 plays (y'all can choose which is more insanely dumb) that sum up what I believe cost us the game:

1. After Brison's INT at our own 3...were up 35-21 at this point with lil over 10 minutes to play. We run Mike Davis twice on 1st and 2nd down for 7 yards to the 11. On a 3rd and 3, the ball winds up in Dylan's hands for a 1 yard gain...punt time. Yep, DT...NOT Mike Davis, NOT Brandon Wilds, NOT Pharoh Cooper in the Wildcat. WTH was Spurrier thinking??

2. Up 42-35 with 1:38 to play, we had just recovered the onside kick. Wisely, we run Mike Davis twice on 1st and 2nd down for 6 yards. Tenn calls 2nd timeout. So, on 3rd and 4, Spurrier decides to pass...DT sacked for 8 yard loss. So with 4 yards to go...we don't try and run for it on 3rd or even 4th down?? Yep, DT gets the ball with the game on the line...NOT Mike Davis, NOT Brandon Wilds, NOT Pharoh Cooper in the Wildcat. Again, I can't explain how SOS makes this just dumb decision.

The same coach that went for it 8 times on 4th down last week at Auburn...5 of those were rushing attempts on 4th down...doesn't think our running game can get 4 yards on 2 plays...with the game on line...with a defense that couldn't stop almost every team we've played ALL season?/?

I'll cheer for our players the rest of this season...they're out there on the field giving it their all (I truly believe this even if their not as talented as we had hoped for)...

...but I'm done with Spurrier for his consistent late game situation playcalling blunders, I'm done with the defensive coaches for not teaching/improving our tackling fundamentals, and not knowing how to scheme against the zone read or get guys to execute the scheme.

GO COCKS!!
Edit this is for number 2.

What sucks even worse even if usc didnt get a first down at the end with a run that is a. A 44 yard fg for fry to make, and if fry missed and ut won i would be hats off to them. Someone needs to put a billboard on spurriers wall with the playmakers on offense. Their names are cooper, davis, and wilds. The ol and thompson has proven they can do a heck of a game, but when the pressure is on they fold.
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In my mind anyway: UT's TD on 4th down from the 20-something yard line. At that point, our D had somehow actually gotten stops on 4 straight possessions. Then we had them in a 4th and long. Dobbs scrambled, threw a pass and Brison had an opportunity to bring the receiver down well short of the first down. However, instead of tackling him he simply threw a shoulder at his ankles. The receiver broke through that and scampered in for the first of 3 TD's in a row by them.

Game on the line. 4th down. Desperate for a win. And you don't even use your arms to try to tackle the guy?
That play stuck in my mind also.
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the 3rd and 3 conversion would have been huge. i want to watch the replay again to see if its definite but it definitely looked like the tennessee special teams player was going to back right into that ball had marquis roberts not picked it up.

back to the premise of the thread, brison has to do more on that play if hes protecting the arm then he needs to go in with the other arm and give it everything he has to get him on the ground because that should have been an easy tackle.

our best players have to touch the ball in winning time and our players have got to be smarter. we do either of those and we likely win, we did neither and lost.
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Brison would rather just run his mouth. Can't stand to watch his a$$ play. He is either running his mouth or getting beat
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Listen, this defense has not and is not going to stop anyone when the game is on the line...truth...agreed?

So, it's on Spurrier to call some smarter offensive plays and keep the defensive unit on the sidelines.

I've got 2 plays (y'all can choose which is more insanely dumb) that sum up what I believe cost us the game:

1. After Brison's INT at our own 3...were up 35-21 at this point with lil over 10 minutes to play. We run Mike Davis twice on 1st and 2nd down for 7 yards to the 11. On a 3rd and 3, the ball winds up in Dylan's hands for a 1 yard gain...punt time. Yep, DT...NOT Mike Davis, NOT Brandon Wilds, NOT Pharoh Cooper in the Wildcat. WTH was Spurrier thinking??

2. Up 42-35 with 1:38 to play, we had just recovered the onside kick. Wisely, we run Mike Davis twice on 1st and 2nd down for 6 yards. Tenn calls 2nd timeout. So, on 3rd and 4, Spurrier decides to pass...DT sacked for 8 yard loss. So with 4 yards to go...we don't try and run for it on 3rd or even 4th down?? Yep, DT gets the ball with the game on the line...NOT Mike Davis, NOT Brandon Wilds, NOT Pharoh Cooper in the Wildcat. Again, I can't explain how SOS makes this just dumb decision.

The same coach that went for it 8 times on 4th down last week at Auburn...5 of those were rushing attempts on 4th down...doesn't think our running game can get 4 yards on 2 plays...with the game on line...with a defense that couldn't stop almost every team we've played ALL season?/?

I'll cheer for our players the rest of this season...they're out there on the field giving it their all (I truly believe this even if their not as talented as we had hoped for)...

...but I'm done with Spurrier for his consistent late game situation playcalling blunders, I'm done with the defensive coaches for not teaching/improving our tackling fundamentals, and not knowing how to scheme against the zone read or get guys to execute the scheme.

GO COCKS!!
This. SOS knows that our defense can't stop anything so we need to be more aggressive on offense. The playcalling, at times, is abysmal. We need to go for it more often on 4th down. The playcalling is costing us.

I agree with several of the other posters concerning the offense. I am one who believes that the offense needs to share blame with the defense for our losses. We have blown several 4th quarter leads because we sputter and can't put up points.
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I actually thought UT blew the game with just over 5 minutes in the 3rd when instead of going for it on 4th and 1, they missed that FG. SC then scored 14 more unanswered points.
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The play that determined the game was our last touchdown.

After that, Butch Jones had a volcanic meltdown on what appeared to be his DC on the sidelines.

We never scored again.
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In my mind anyway: UT's TD on 4th down from the 20-something yard line. At that point, our D had somehow actually gotten stops on 4 straight possessions. Then we had them in a 4th and long. Dobbs scrambled, threw a pass and Brison had an opportunity to bring the receiver down well short of the first down. However, instead of tackling him he simply threw a shoulder at his ankles. The receiver broke through that and scampered in for the first of 3 TD's in a row by them.

Game on the line. 4th down. Desperate for a win. And you don't even use your arms to try to tackle the guy?
Just to illustrate how clueless we are on defense...

If you recall before the 4th down play we actually stopped them on 3rd down. Our guys start running around and celebrating behind the line of scrimmage. Now I've leaped about 10 feet in the air screaming at the TV "They are going for it you IDIOTS, they are going for it!!!" Tennessee immediately starts lining up for 4th down and we are doing chest bumps 10 yards deep on their side of the ball. We manage to get back in place just in time but at that point we've got no defensive play call in and no time to audible in anything.

I just don't understand how they could be so clueless at that moment. I really think they actually thought that was it. Like we had stopped them, now bring on the special teams. Of course Tennessee was going for it but we had absolutely no awareness of the situation. There is zero on the field leadership here.
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I knew we would lose when we punted the ball to TN the last time we had it in regulation. We recovered an onside kick, had good field position. Should've gone for it there since there was no way our D was going to stop TN.
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