Okay, Clint will be the first to ask it: Scheme or Players?

CockyClint · 08-28-2014, 10:23 PM

.....it HAS to be something. So is this defense on Whammy or does he just not have ANY talent with which to work? Jesse Palmer mentioned that Ward is a defensive wizard at least 4-5 times in the 2nd half, so he obviously lays the blame for this putrid defensive performance at the feet of our defensive players and recruiting, no?

Lonnie · 08-28-2014, 10:24 PM

Lack of pass rush.

CockyClint · 08-28-2014, 10:26 PM

Lonnie, so you think it is all about the DL's inability to generate a consistent pass rush?

usc51 · 08-28-2014, 10:26 PM

Players. Darius English and Mason Harris wouldn't see the field at most schools, way too small to be effective. So therefore, no pass rush means a bad defense.

cockybusiness2 · 08-28-2014, 10:27 PM

Start with D Line... (Deke ADAMS) Lack of open field tackling (Whole defensive staff)
Either that or A&M are national champs

GregoryHouse · 08-28-2014, 10:27 PM

Inexperience

CockyClint · 08-28-2014, 10:28 PM

hmmm, interesting...so you guys blame poor recruiting by SOS and an overall lack of talent more than you blame Whammy, correct?

COCKDIESEL · 08-28-2014, 10:28 PM

Both.

airborne09 · 08-28-2014, 10:29 PM

Defense sucks. Their horrible. Barely any rush, can't tackle for shit. Damn sure can't cover anybody.

FilchCock · 08-28-2014, 10:30 PM

Missed on all our DEs over the last couple years, and don't have the guys or experience for a 3-4.

Could be a long season.

GregoryHouse · 08-28-2014, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CockyClint

.....it HAS to be something. So is this defense on Whammy or does he just not have ANY talent with which to work? Jesse Palmer mentioned that Ward is a defensive wizard at least 4-5 times in the 2nd half, so he obviously lays the blame for this putrid defensive performance at the feet of our defensive players and recruiting, no?

There is going to be much improvement in the defense from now to next week.

These youngsters will not want to get embarrassed out there like this again.

The coaches have some game film to show them and some of that shock and confusion will be buried.

The defense will be much better going forward - the issue will be that everything was so terrible today that even monumental leaps in improvement could only get them to okay.

i29gman · 08-28-2014, 10:35 PM

7-5 is looking real good right now. That was absolutely embarrassing. Looked just like the taters against the Noles last year. We won't live this one down for a long long time. No defense, no big bodies, no mean and nastiness. We are in trouble and might should have seen it coming with all the 3-4 preseason chatter. There goes the home win streak, and there goes being ranked...at all.

GarnetBlack&Blue · 08-28-2014, 10:47 PM

1) uneven recruiting- mostly due to some guys not panning out, which happens, but it's hitting us all at once. English looked like he belongs at an FCS school...

2) I really blame the offense... we knew what aTm could do on offense, great OL and fantastic WRs. DT was horrendous at times, he's lucky there weren't more INTs, we just couldn't control the ball or answer when we needed to.

CockyClint · 08-28-2014, 11:22 PM

Garnet, interesting take in partially blaming the offense tonight. Not too many Cocks are doing that.

gamecockjay · 08-28-2014, 11:29 PM

Name one player on dline that would start anywhere but Kentucky or Vandy?

SpurProsecutor · 08-28-2014, 11:33 PM

Deke's d line is just flat out bad. Not athletic, fast, or nasty. Our corners played soft coverage all game, are small, inexperienced, and poorly coached. The linebackers took horrible angles, could not tackle in the open field, and continually gave up the inside slant when they KNEW it was coming.

Bottom line is we are in for a LONG season on the defensive side of the ball. Only silver lining may be the chance that A&M's offense is simply THAT good that we won't be outmatched and out schemed like this again this year. And oh yeah, we will get to see Mr Hill again in College Station next year which should be fun.

And Dylan will throw many pics this year floating the football and throwing off his back foot. Most of his throws were well off target all night.

On a positive note, the new scoreboard looked great on my HDTV.

Chucktown Vol · 08-28-2014, 11:34 PM

Both, but that scheme needs to change. Like yesterday

PageUSC · 08-28-2014, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gamecockjay

Name one player on dline that would start anywhere but Kentucky or Vandy?

There isn't one. And we are deep at DT but that doesn't matter against a team that throws it so quick.

Answer to the OP's question is players. A&M just has a ton more talent than we do. Don't try to over complicate things.

We don't have a single guy on the team that can rush the passer and we don't have a single DB that can cover a good WR one on one and tackle in space.

highstick · 08-29-2014, 12:58 AM

Dabo is foaming at the mouth after tonight.

GamecockSuperFan · 08-29-2014, 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GH

Inexperience

Inexperienced coaching or playing or both

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CockyClint Walk On Male Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: GSP Posts: 78 CockyCash: 500	Okay, Clint will be the first to ask it: Scheme or Players? .....it HAS to be something. So is this defense on Whammy or does he just not have ANY talent with which to work? Jesse Palmer mentioned that Ward is a defensive wizard at least 4-5 times in the 2nd half, so he obviously lays the blame for this putrid defensive performance at the feet of our defensive players and recruiting, no?

08-28-2014, 10:24 PM	#2
Lonnie Band Male Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Third Stone from the Sun Posts: 10,061 CockyCash: 499	Re: Okay, Clint will be the first to ask it: Scheme or Players? Lack of pass rush. __________________ "Physical is a state of mind." - Coach Will Muschamp

08-28-2014, 10:26 PM	#3
CockyClint Walk On Male Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: GSP Posts: 78 CockyCash: 500	Re: Okay, Clint will be the first to ask it: Scheme or Players? Lonnie, so you think it is all about the DL's inability to generate a consistent pass rush?

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usc51 Household Name Male Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Columbia, South Carolina Posts: 5,394 CockyCash: 200	Re: Okay, Clint will be the first to ask it: Scheme or Players? Players. Darius English and Mason Harris wouldn't see the field at most schools, way too small to be effective. So therefore, no pass rush means a bad defense. __________________ USC

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cockybusiness2 Household Name Male Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Amelia Island Fl. Posts: 5,672 CockyCash: 1000000	Re: Okay, Clint will be the first to ask it: Scheme or Players? Start with D Line... (Deke ADAMS) Lack of open field tackling (Whole defensive staff) Either that or A&M are national champs

08-28-2014, 10:28 PM	#7
CockyClint Walk On Male Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: GSP Posts: 78 CockyCash: 500	Re: Okay, Clint will be the first to ask it: Scheme or Players? hmmm, interesting...so you guys blame poor recruiting by SOS and an overall lack of talent more than you blame Whammy, correct?

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COCKDIESEL Could've been a Contender Male Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Pine Ridge Posts: 8,952 CockyCash: 57380000	Re: Okay, Clint will be the first to ask it: Scheme or Players? Both. __________________

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airborne09 Blue Chip Male Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: summerville Posts: 751 CockyCash: 1002500	Re: Okay, Clint will be the first to ask it: Scheme or Players? Defense sucks. Their horrible. Barely any rush, can't tackle for shit. Damn sure can't cover anybody.

08-28-2014, 10:30 PM	#10
FilchCock Blue Chip Male Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Auburn, AL Posts: 620 CockyCash: 500	Re: Okay, Clint will be the first to ask it: Scheme or Players? Missed on all our DEs over the last couple years, and don't have the guys or experience for a 3-4. Could be a long season.

08-28-2014, 10:35 PM	#12
i29gman Banned Male Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Mount Pleasant, SC Posts: 981 CockyCash: 500	Re: Okay, Clint will be the first to ask it: Scheme or Players? 7-5 is looking real good right now. That was absolutely embarrassing. Looked just like the taters against the Noles last year. We won't live this one down for a long long time. No defense, no big bodies, no mean and nastiness. We are in trouble and might should have seen it coming with all the 3-4 preseason chatter. There goes the home win streak, and there goes being ranked...at all.

08-28-2014, 10:47 PM	#13
GarnetBlack&Blue Burp Guns and Trust Funds Male Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Inside the house Posts: 7,489 CockyCash: 120000	Re: Okay, Clint will be the first to ask it: Scheme or Players? 1) uneven recruiting- mostly due to some guys not panning out, which happens, but it's hitting us all at once. English looked like he belongs at an FCS school... 2) I really blame the offense... we knew what aTm could do on offense, great OL and fantastic WRs. DT was horrendous at times, he's lucky there weren't more INTs, we just couldn't control the ball or answer when we needed to. __________________ Go Cocks! Go Blue Hose!

08-28-2014, 11:22 PM	#14
CockyClint Walk On Male Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: GSP Posts: 78 CockyCash: 500	Re: Okay, Clint will be the first to ask it: Scheme or Players? Garnet, interesting take in partially blaming the offense tonight. Not too many Cocks are doing that.

08-28-2014, 11:29 PM	#15
gamecockjay Starter Male Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 1,262 CockyCash: 200	Re: Okay, Clint will be the first to ask it: Scheme or Players? Name one player on dline that would start anywhere but Kentucky or Vandy? __________________ "The only people who use mustard base BBQ sauce are yankees and people who were not raised properly" J.A. Weatherly

08-28-2014, 11:33 PM	#16
SpurProsecutor Runs North and South Male Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Charleston Posts: 1,397 CockyCash: 500	Re: Okay, Clint will be the first to ask it: Scheme or Players? Deke's d line is just flat out bad. Not athletic, fast, or nasty. Our corners played soft coverage all game, are small, inexperienced, and poorly coached. The linebackers took horrible angles, could not tackle in the open field, and continually gave up the inside slant when they KNEW it was coming. Bottom line is we are in for a LONG season on the defensive side of the ball. Only silver lining may be the chance that A&M's offense is simply THAT good that we won't be outmatched and out schemed like this again this year. And oh yeah, we will get to see Mr Hill again in College Station next year which should be fun. And Dylan will throw many pics this year floating the football and throwing off his back foot. Most of his throws were well off target all night. On a positive note, the new scoreboard looked great on my HDTV.

08-28-2014, 11:34 PM	#17
Chucktown Vol Walk On Male Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Charleston Posts: 15 CockyCash: 500	Re: Okay, Clint will be the first to ask it: Scheme or Players? Both, but that scheme needs to change. Like yesterday

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highstick Blue Chip Male Join Date: May 2010 Location: South Carolina Posts: 840 CockyCash: 200	Re: Okay, Clint will be the first to ask it: Scheme or Players? Dabo is foaming at the mouth after tonight.

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