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Old Yesterday, 05:00 PM   #1
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First off, Mods don't delete this thread. I'm just a fan who's sharing his thoughts. Let a message board be a message board.


Anyways, I was just sitting here thinking, "How in the world are these schools like TCU, Baylor, and Kansas St playing so well when they don't recruit all that well?"

Here are five schools that are currently in the top 12 who are playing excellent football that don't recruit all that great along with their last three recruiting class rankings (Source Rivals).

Kansas St - (#47) (#66) (#59)
Baylor - (#35) (#31) (#45)
TCU - (#50) (#30) (#37)
Miss St - (#37) (#26) (#30)
Michigan St - (#22) (#40) (#41)


Now here's South Carolina's....

South Carolina - (#19) (#16) (#16)

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Are you serious? Only one school out of that group in the last three years has finished with a top 25 recruiting class and that was Michigan St. All five of those schools are in the playoff hunt and one is currently the #1 team in the country. While we're sitting here at 4-3 and considered one of the worst teams in the SEC, despite finishing with a top 20 recruiting class the last three years. And it's not like the teams we've lost to were good teams. They were bad to average teams.


Is the coaching staff that bad at evaluating talent? Why can't we find diamonds in the rough like all these other schools? I'm not belittling the players we have now, but many are not playing as well as we thought they would considering how high some were coming out of high school.

Thoughts? I'll hang up and listen.
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Welll.. they play weak teams and, our current defensive coaching staff are below average.
what? Miss State?

TCU just beat Oklahoma.

K state had Auburn beat but blew it.

All of those teams would beat us.
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Really? How much difference do you think is between a 16th ranked team and a 26th or 30th?

I'll tell you. About that much.
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Welll.. they play weak teams and, our current defensive coaching staff are below average.
Miss St beat, at the time, a top 10 LSU team on the road, a top 10 A&M team, and beat a top 5 Auburn team

TCU beat a top 5 Oklahoma team and destroyed a top 15 Oklahoma St team

Baylor beat a top 10 TCU team

Kansas St nearly beat a top 5 Auburn team and beat the #11 ranked Sooners on the road

Michigan St is the only team without any signature wins.


These schools coaching staffs know how to evulate talent and coach up players. They make 2 and 3* recruits play like 4 and 5* recruits.
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Really? How much difference do you think is between a 16th ranked team and a 26th or 30th?

I'll tell you. About that much.
I'm assuming you're talking about Miss St. It doesn't if you think there isn't much of a difference between a 16th ranked class and the 30th ranked class. They're sitting at 6-0, wins over two top 10 teams and one top 5 team, and currently the #1 team in the country with playoffs on their mind.


We're sitting here just hoping to get a bowl. Evidently, there is some difference.
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First off, Mods don't delete this thread. I'm just a fan who's sharing his thoughts. Let a message board be a message board.
Just a word of advice...... probable not the best way to start a thread.....

Just sayin.......

This year we have lost the close games, while we one most of them the past years........

Realistically, we are 3-4 players away from a top 20 team...... but I digress, I believe we have beat the living shit out of that dead horse!!!!
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Chris Clark had an EXCELLENT commentary last week that went very in depth into the factors that USC is having to deal with this year, specifically on the defensive line.

It was not a bunch of excuses- as he said within the same commentary that player can still play better, coaches can still coach better, but ultimately- we've had the perfect storm of players leaving early when they shouldnt have, injuries, recruits not making the grade, and reduced scholarship numbers that have just all come up and bit us in the same year.

Everyone wants to simply blame the coaches- but if you're talking about the defensive line, what exactly are you expecting Coach Deke to have done differently? He's only really had one recruiting cycle in his current position.

He's having to make do with two converted linebackers, one of which only very recently converted and has missed a LOT of PT due to injury (Harris, Cooper) and a slew of other factors that have hit in this one season.

The inability of our fanbase to be honest and objective in their evaluation of the talent we have on the defensive line this year is downright pathetic. To only look at recruiting ranking numbers is the approach of a simpleton. But, maybe thats what our fanbase is.
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First off, Mods don't delete this thread. I'm just a fan who's sharing his thoughts. Let a message board be a message board.


Anyways, I was just sitting here thinking, "How in the world are these schools like TCU, Baylor, and Kansas St playing so well when they don't recruit all that well?"

Here are five schools that are currently in the top 12 who are playing excellent football that don't recruit all that great along with their last three recruiting class rankings (Source Rivals).

Kansas St - (#47) (#66) (#59)
Baylor - (#35) (#31) (#45)
TCU - (#50) (#30) (#37)
Miss St - (#37) (#26) (#30)
Michigan St - (#22) (#40) (#41)


Now here's South Carolina's....

South Carolina - (#19) (#16) (#16)

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Are you serious? Only one school out of that group in the last three years has finished with a top 25 recruiting class and that was Michigan St. All five of those schools are in the playoff hunt and one is currently the #1 team in the country. While we're sitting here at 4-3 and considered one of the worst teams in the SEC, despite finishing with a top 20 recruiting class the last three years. And it's not like the teams we've lost to were good teams. They were bad to average teams.


Is the coaching staff that bad at evaluating talent? Why can't we find diamonds in the rough like all these other schools? I'm not belittling the players we have now, but many are not playing as well as we thought they would considering how high some were coming out of high school.

Thoughts? I'll hang up and listen.
Here is some food for thought. None of the 5 teams you mentioned play in the SEC.
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Haha my eyes totally glanced over that one. Ok, but in seriousness when mentioning Miss St, they found a gem QB in Dak Prescott, who will probably win the Heisman, and their Defense is top notch. That is about all you need.
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I am too but will wait until after the season to see what the HBC does....if anything.
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Here is some food for thought. None of the 5 teams you mentioned play in the SEC.
You do know Miss St means Mississippi St, right? But for argument sake's I'll take out Miss St and replace them with Arizona, who's ranked #15 right now and who beat #2 Oregon on the road. Arizona's recruiting classes for the last three years, #28, #37, & #46. Arizona's schedule isn't a cake walk.


People need to get off the mindset that only SEC teams play hard schedules. All of the teams I mentioned, excluding Miss St, play tough schedules but manage to win big games despite their mediocre recruiting classes. South Carolina would lose to everyone one of those schools. Baylor would have us beat by the 1st quarter.
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Haha my eyes totally glanced over that one. Ok, but in seriousness when mentioning Miss St, they found a gem QB in Dak Prescott, who will probably win the Heisman, and their Defense is top notch. That is about all you need.
But that's the point I'm trying to make, how do they keep finding those gem's? Some of their top play makers (Dak Prescott, Josh Robinson, Preston Smith) all were low 3* recruits coming out of high school.
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But that's the point I'm trying to make, how do they keep finding those gem's? Some of their top play makers (Dak Prescott, Josh Robinson, Preston Smith) all were low 3* recruits coming out of high school.
Well we recruit regularly the 3*s, just have yet to find that gem. (Heisman wise) It took Miss St. forever to finally find theirs, not like they have been pulling in Clowneys, Lattimore's and Gilmore's for years.
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Chris Clark had an EXCELLENT commentary last week that went very in depth into the factors that USC is having to deal with this year, specifically on the defensive line.

It was not a bunch of excuses- as he said within the same commentary that player can still play better, coaches can still coach better, but ultimately- we've had the perfect storm of players leaving early when they shouldnt have, injuries, recruits not making the grade, and reduced scholarship numbers that have just all come up and bit us in the same year.

Everyone wants to simply blame the coaches- but if you're talking about the defensive line, what exactly are you expecting Coach Deke to have done differently? He's only really had one recruiting cycle in his current position.

He's having to make do with two converted linebackers, one of which only very recently converted and has missed a LOT of PT due to injury (Harris, Cooper) and a slew of other factors that have hit in this one season.

The inability of our fanbase to be honest and objective in their evaluation of the talent we have on the defensive line this year is downright pathetic. To only look at recruiting ranking numbers is the approach of a simpleton. But, maybe thats what our fanbase is.
This, also look at where we finished in the final rankings compared to those schools the last 3 years. Just a perfect shit storm this year
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First off, Mods don't delete this thread. I'm just a fan who's sharing his thoughts. Let a message board be a message board.


Anyways, I was just sitting here thinking, "How in the world are these schools like TCU, Baylor, and Kansas St playing so well when they don't recruit all that well?"

Here are five schools that are currently in the top 12 who are playing excellent football that don't recruit all that great along with their last three recruiting class rankings (Source Rivals).

Kansas St - (#47) (#66) (#59)
Baylor - (#35) (#31) (#45)
TCU - (#50) (#30) (#37)
Miss St - (#37) (#26) (#30)
Michigan St - (#22) (#40) (#41)


Now here's South Carolina's....

South Carolina - (#19) (#16) (#16)

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Are you serious? Only one school out of that group in the last three years has finished with a top 25 recruiting class and that was Michigan St. All five of those schools are in the playoff hunt and one is currently the #1 team in the country. While we're sitting here at 4-3 and considered one of the worst teams in the SEC, despite finishing with a top 20 recruiting class the last three years. And it's not like the teams we've lost to were good teams. They were bad to average teams.


Is the coaching staff that bad at evaluating talent? Why can't we find diamonds in the rough like all these other schools? I'm not belittling the players we have now, but many are not playing as well as we thought they would considering how high some were coming out of high school.

Thoughts? I'll hang up and listen.

How many college football teams are there nowadays?

How did those teams all do the last three or for years in terms of wins and losses versus great teams compared to how South Carolina's record during that stretch?

What were their rankings to end the season the last four years?

How many of their players are playing on nfl rosters versus our guys?


Lastly,
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Lastly how are teams with comparable recruiting rankings the past three or four cycles doing?


I think these are important additional question to consider
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Check this out about Miss St regarding their starters on both offense and defense compared to ours.


Offense:

4* Players on offense - 1
3* Players on offense - 7
2* Players on offense - 2

and one walk-on. (This is their starting rotation)

Defense:

4* Players on offense - 2
3* Players on offense - 9




Our starting rotation:

Offense:

4* Players on offense - 5
3* Players on offense - 4
2* Players on offense - 2


Defense

4* Players on offense - 4
3* Players on offense - 6
2* Players on offense - 1
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Check this out about Miss St regarding their starters on both offense and defense compared to ours.


Offense:

4* Players on offense - 1
3* Players on offense - 7
2* Players on offense - 2

and one walk-on. (This is their starting rotation)

Defense:

4* Players on offense - 2
3* Players on offense - 9




Our starting rotation:

Offense:

4* Players on offense - 5
3* Players on offense - 4
2* Players on offense - 2


Defense

4* Players on offense - 4
3* Players on offense - 6
2* Players on offense - 1

They also only finished ranked in the top 25 once in the last three years...and that was 20th in 2011. USC finished 12th, 9th, and 4th in those years.
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